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02-08-2014 , 01:06 PM
The game is 1/2/2 spreadlimit and it is playing your typical loose Friday night game. Not a ton of money on the table but enough to make it worthwhile to play.

Villain - Mid 30's clean cut white dude. Never seen him before but he has played pretty solid, especially for this table. Has opened to 12 about 5 times since I have been playing with him (1 hour) and has either taken down the pot postflop with continued aggression or given up on the hand relatively fast. Seems to be a tiny bit loose and aggressive preflop but fit or fold postflop. He has not played any big pots, or even medium since he has sat down. At this point he is sitting on $300.

Hero - Mid 20's clean cut white dude. I have a reputation at this small cardroom as a winner and strong TAG. Villain has seen me build up my stack mostly by pushing the action but rarely show down hands. Only significant hand that reached show down was my JJ >AK vs a semi shortstack. He should view me as very capable and tough to play against especially in the later streets with deep stacks. Here has $550 and covers the table.

Hand
UTG folds, Villain raises 12, Hero next to act....
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02-08-2014 , 01:14 PM
Hero makes it 40 and never folds pre
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02-08-2014 , 01:24 PM
Probably a reraise for SPR reasons imo.

If you call you set off a call chain at this table and get, say, a 5-way pot with $60 in it. Assuming the V is the biggest stack, I guess a 5-way with KK and SPR is 5:1 isn't that bad, but I'd rather have a 2-way pot with SPR of 4:1, so I'd reraise to $40.

It's too bad that we didn't get this hand in later position. With a couple callers we could raise to $100 and make it look like we are attacking dead money. But here in EP, I'd say the best move is just to play the hand straightforwardly. I hope you've been 3! with AK so it doesn't totally turn your hand face-up, but even if you haven't been, it's still a place to raise for value.

There are a lot of arguments for calling though, but I'd need more info. Will people stack off with TP at this table post flop? Will someone likely 3 bet behind you, allowing you to raise the max? Have you not 3 bet before?
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02-08-2014 , 01:32 PM
raise to 45-50
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02-08-2014 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by dunderstron!
There are a lot of arguments for calling though, but I'd need more info. Will people stack off with TP at this table post flop? Will someone likely 3 bet behind you, allowing you to raise the max? Have you not 3 bet before?
Calling is bad. It sends out invitations for people to come along behind us giving them good odds with small PP's and SC'ers. We don't want to play KK in EP with 4+ people (at least I don't).

Raise to $40 or so. If everyone folds it's ok. We aren't always going to get action on big hands.
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02-08-2014 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Chrisco1987
The game is 1/2/2 spreadlimit
What is the maximum bet limit?

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02-08-2014 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Lapidator
What is the maximum bet limit?

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Spread limit 2-200

More info on the table and myself. I've been active and have been making big bets to get players to fold in this session(I've had it every time but did not show to table). My 3 bet should set off alarm bells especially on an early position raise and me being in early/mid as well.

I'm not expecting anyone to jump in behind me if I 3 bet with a wide range of hands. Only one guy is deep behind me(300) and the rest are in the 100-250 range. We are 8 handed and although the game is good it has slowed down some over the last 30 minutes. If I were to flatcall the raise I'd expect atleast 1 more to come along, most likely it would be 4 ways to the flop.
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02-08-2014 , 05:01 PM
Hand UTG folds, Villain raises 12, Hero raises to 40, all fold to villain who thinks for about 15 seconds before matching the bet.

Flop 5h 2h 2x (Pot 83)
Villain checks, hero....

I have the Kh.
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02-08-2014 , 05:06 PM
Bet $60-$70

Shove Turn
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02-08-2014 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Chrisco1987
Hand UTG folds, Villain raises 12, Hero raises to 40, all fold to villain who thinks for about 15 seconds before matching the bet.

Flop 5h 2h 2x (Pot 83)
Villain checks, hero....

I have the Kh.

Nice work at building up a pot, and the flop is screaming value here. You can get huge value from both flushdraws and smaller overpairs.

By calling the 3 bet villain may have like 10-10 or even J-J wich i think we should be aiming. With this safe of a flop i like a bet around half pot. Around 45 ish, then we leave villain guessing if we just try to C-bet and pick up the pot with missed AQ or AK, or if we have the goods. With the half pot bet its also a possibility that villain read that as weakness and will spazzraise with a hand like 8-8 or 9-9 or a flushdraw.

If we blast outs close to full pot sized bet here with this flop i think we let villain all to easy off the valuehook.
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02-08-2014 , 09:00 PM
Agreed. This is a great flop and I should be looking at getting value from likely overpairs. If he continues with the hand he should have 88+ or some combo of kqhh+. There is a decent amount of hands that he will not be able to continue and he does not seem to be a player that would try to run a bluff out of position in a big pot somewhat deep. I should be setting up an all in on the turn if he does call so a bet of 65 seems ideal looking back on the hand.
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02-09-2014 , 02:59 PM
Hand UTG folds, Villain raises 12, Hero raises to 40, all fold to villain who thinks for about 15 seconds before matching the bet.

Flop 5h 2h 2x (Pot 83)
Villain checks, hero bets 50, Villain calls with little contemplation

Turn 5h 2h 2x 10h (Pot 183)
Villain checks, Hero....
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02-09-2014 , 03:15 PM
This is why you should have a plan for you hands. You bet $50 on flop instead of $65-70 and now he has more than a PSB left. If you would have bet more on flop you would have had <PSB left. It probably doesn't make too much of a difference because he doesn't have much more than a PSB but it's still important to have a plan.

I'm betting $200 (thats all we can bet right?) and putting him in on river.

I'm guessing he had you beat because you wouldn't have posted the hand. If so unlucky, wp, gg, move on to the next one.
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02-09-2014 , 03:27 PM
PAHWM's are the worst
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02-09-2014 , 11:01 PM
Like I was saying looking back I should be betting at least 60 otf to set up an all in on the turn. My thinking during the hand was that with his range that he would continue on with we're mostly overpairs and then a few large flush draws. I chose to focus on keeping the overpairs in and getting three streets of value with medium sized bets rather than pounding nearly pot and risk him folding something like 99 right away. If the board doesn't get scary I could go 50 85 125 and string along the overpairs and likely get mor value then going 65 200. That way just seems to give way more of a chance to get away from his overpair.
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02-10-2014 , 11:39 AM
I'm hoping for a light call here, even maybe a float with 2 overs no flush draw. I don't personally like betting $60 on the flop then making a pot sized $200 shove on the turn. That honestly just seems absurd and would put him to a really tough decision even holding 88 - JJ. I think we are more likely to get his full stack betting 3 streets.

I bet $45 on the flop. I this this gets us called lighter in my opinion. It may also induce him to spaz, which I'm never folding on this board against this player. My plan is to fire $100 on all turns and $115 on all rivers.
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02-10-2014 , 10:30 PM
Hand UTG folds, Villain raises 12, Hero raises to 40, all fold to villain who thinks for about 15 seconds before matching the bet.

Flop 5h 2h 2x (Pot 83)
Villain checks, hero bets 50, Villain calls with little contemplation

Turn 5h 2h 2x 10h (Pot 183)
Villain checks, Hero checks

River 5h 2h 2x 10h 9x
Villain slides out 100, hero...
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02-10-2014 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by brojaysimpson
I'm hoping for a light call here, even maybe a float with 2 overs no flush draw. I don't personally like betting $60 on the flop then making a pot sized $200 shove on the turn. That honestly just seems absurd and would put him to a really tough decision even holding 88 - JJ. I think we are more likely to get his full stack betting 3 streets.

I bet $45 on the flop. I this this gets us called lighter in my opinion. It may also induce him to spaz, which I'm never folding on this board against this player. My plan is to fire $100 on all turns and $115 on all rivers.
This was my thinking during the hand except with the idea not to barrel on all turns and rivers.

With my check back on the turn my range is left somewhat wide and I should be able to get value out of the overpairs he has on the river. Plus if I bet the turn I think he will fold all overpairs without a heart and some with a heart. Taking the aggressive line leaves me getting valuetowned by all flushes/boats and folding out a lot the hands that I get value from. It seems very weak but not the worst line.
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02-11-2014 , 05:11 AM
easy call otr. once you check the turn your pretty much obligated to call any reasonable river bet. Nothing wrong w/ the way you played this hand at all
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02-11-2014 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Shwauby
PAHWM's are the worst
+1

Just post whole hand and ask for comments on all streets.
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