Hero: LAG image at table. 350ish$ stack

V1: loose passive but really sticky with draws, 140ish$ behind

V2: not much info, standard 1-2 nl tourist type...very weak player and would say loose passive but stations on any connection, definitely overvalues hands (mid/top pair ect) $250ish behind.

Hero is in BB w/pp10s10h and it goes 4 limps to hero, hero makes it $14

V2 on button calls, V1 in SB calls.

Flop comes 7s 8s 9h, V1 in SB checks, Hero fires $25...both Vs call

Turn is the A of diamonds...I just feel like this is a fine card for us to continue...plenty of big Aces in our hand we could have c bet flop with and not too many in theirs they call the $25 flop with +were still drawing very much alive in worst case...V1 checks to hero, Hero bets $60, V2 folds, V1 flats

River is 3c. V1 checks and only has 40$ here so bet seems to serve no purpose...he likely missed draw and folds or he calls with anything beating us...hero checks.

I think I played the hand well but need input on if I overplayed unnecessarily and possible different approaches thx!

I feel like there's a bit if disconnect in your line of thinking, As is a good barrel card when bluffing but you have a value hand, there are plenty of nut draws in their range since lower stake players tend to limp call with suited high cards a ton, so I don't see why you're betting OTT.
OOP I'm prolly checking that turn, since you'll rarely get bluffed of your hand and FD's that don't include an As in them will always check/back and then you could bet thin OTR if you think you'll get called by worse.

I sort of agree but...giving free river to either of these guys who seem most likely on flush and/or straight draws or only top pair type seems too weak I feel like our hand rates to still be best most often especially with V1s check...so my thinking was not so much to turn hand into any kind of bluff or even for value so much as just to continue denying the draw or making them pay$ to continue

I get what your saying though I could have (should have?) gone into shutdown & potcontrol there and could re-eval river...like I said just felt I needed to charge$

I like it as played. I def think you should be betting turn for value. Sure the Ace hits them sometimes, but you still have their rang, esp v1 beat. Value value value them. Id bet that guys last 40. If hes calling down with a smaller pair, get that 40. It will make up for a lot of times when you miss a flop and have to fold down the road, get bluffed, etc. And if he does have you beat, that 40 doesnt make much of a difference as to the amount you lost. Again, having his range beat more often than not.

I might of bet more on the flop, not for protection, but based on the two players in the hand with you, I think they will call a larger bet more consistently.

If he shows you a winner, just say "You sly son of a bitch!" smile and laugh. Hes gonna play with you again and probably be weaker in future hands remembering that fun hand where he doubled up thru you, so obviously hes gonna beat you again...


Masta--

I got sent here from your TR in LVL. Don't have many notes. Maybe raise a little more preflop. Maybe bet a little more on the flop. With that, you probably could've gone all in on the turn.

too small pre, if you have AA are you making it 14? I think 18 is better.


Lets look at SPR?
Pot 45
V1 115 behind - SPR <3
V2 225 behind - SPR ~6

Pot is 45 and you bet 25, ok I'm with you so far still on the small side though multiway. Pot is now 75+45= 120

V1 90 - SPR <1
V2 200 - SPR <2

There's really not any bet sizing you can make at this point vs. V1 that isn't pot committing if he shoves so just forget about him a moment you can't really pot control a short stack. Once you bet 60 and he calls turn there's 240 in the pot, with ~30 behind he isn't folding J9, he isn't folding anything that beats you so you are in a pickle. You should just be betting 90 on turn and committing vs. V1 instead of leaving dead money on the table and not knowing whether you are value betting super thin.

Bet 16 preflop. Bet 45 on flop. 80 on turn.

I think pre is ok, might go a little more. The flop there's about 40 in there, I'd just bet 40. The turn is ok, and river seems like an easy check.

I probably just check turn to pot control and reevaluate on river. The two V's look passive enough not to give you any hard decisions. I wouldn't worry as much about giving a free card, since you have the straight draw.

considered this but figured the 60 accomplishes that largely, still wanted to be able to find fold vs V2

thx I like this, these 2 Vs are as likely as any to grossly overcall on flop so I think we could have def squeezed more out of them there

posting results...

V1 has As4s...pretty sure hand ends same way regardless he would certainly have gii on flop, that said I could have possibly considered one of them had enough AsXs in hands to save $...still I think they were both loose enough pre and sticky enough to have lesser flush draws, str draws, and flopped pairs often enough to charge turn. thx for insight, I think betting bigger on flop would be most lucrative results aside as both these Vs were the type to grossly overpay.

Against passive calling stations, I don't see the point in betting turn. Don't buy the "free card" thing, you should be happy to see a free card. Basically turns your hand into a semi-bluff. Don't bluff the calling stations.

I mean the A isn't the best card for us... but as you said... they are passive calling stations. They will call with much worse. The turn bet isn't a bluff IMO, it's a value bet against smaller pairs/straight draws/ and flush draws.

Although I have some small issues with sizing, I think the hand was played fine.

I thought the sizing was off. As played that guy is not folding flop but maybe with a bigger raise he folds preflop. Whats your standard raise? 10 or 12 plus 2 for each limper would be 18 or 20? The flop bet was a little small but he probably was calling even more anyways.