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11-11-2018 , 10:45 PM
.50/1 home game.

V1 in SB ($200) is a tight player, not very active. Passive pre, less passive post but not particularly aggressive. Seems ABC in the 30 minutes we've been playing.

V2 in BB ($150) similar to V1. A little more aggressive post.

Hero (covers) raise to $7.50 UTG with JJ. Folds to the villains in the blinds, both flat.

Flop is 9 7 5 rainbow. ($22.50)

V1 bets $15, V2 raises to $50. Hero?



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11-11-2018 , 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by dmccoy87
.50/1 home game.

V1 in SB ($200) is a tight player, not very active. Passive pre, less passive post but not particularly aggressive. Seems ABC in the 30 minutes we've been playing.

V2 in BB ($150) similar to V1. A little more aggressive post.

Hero (covers) raise to $7.50 UTG with JJ. Folds to the villains in the blinds, both flat.

Flop is 9 7 5 rainbow. ($22.50)

V1 bets $15, V2 raises to $50. Hero?
Both of these TAGs are making aggressive moves and seemingly forgetting that you were the preflop raiser. Unless these guys peg you as weak-tight, or think you have a super wide UTG raising range, I'm getting out of the way now and folding.

P.S. Given the stack sizes and bet sizes, why aren't you guys playing 1/2?
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11-11-2018 , 11:41 PM
7.5x pre?
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11-11-2018 , 11:42 PM
Easy fold.
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11-11-2018 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BayAreaLegend
7.5x pre?
Large sizing has been normal in this game, 5x often goes 3ways to the flop or more.

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11-11-2018 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DrChesspain
P.S. Given the stack sizes and bet sizes, why aren't you guys playing 1/2?
Preaching to the choir.



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11-11-2018 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by BayAreaLegend
7.5x pre?
I play with at two guys who open-raise larger with JJ than with their other premiums, because they sincerely hope to just win the blinds, allowing them to quickly release the toxic duo that is JJ.
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11-11-2018 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by DrChesspain
I play with at two guys who open-raise larger with JJ than with their other premiums, because they sincerely hope to just win the blinds, allowing them to quickly release the toxic duo that is JJ.
Ah, I see. Not the case for me, 7.50 was my standard open UTG, I would size down to 5x if opening in later position.

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11-13-2018 , 01:30 PM
If Villains are more loose/aggressive/spazzy, do we still fold here?

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11-13-2018 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by dmccoy87
If Villains are more loose/aggressive/spazzy, do we still fold here?

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Given the action this is a fold 99% of the time. Stacks are likely going in on the turn. Can you call that off if a jack doesnt hit?

Think about it this way. With a donk and a reraise we are either very far behind or slightly ahead.

The best case scenario is one of them has like 9 6 or 8 10 and the other has 6 4 or 5 6. Really wishful thinking thinking tight passives are stacking off with a pair and a gutshot.

Pocket 10s is also a possibility.

But even then, every hand they can have here except pocket 10s has decent equity against us.


If they both got all in on some draws and you would of won don't feel too bad about it, if you're not getting bluffed off the best hand every so often then you are calling way too much.

Against a single spewy opponent I will call this off, against two tight passives trying to work their stacks in i'm snap folding this and being right almost always.
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11-13-2018 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by StinkHolePatrol
Given the action this is a fold 99% of the time. Stacks are likely going in on the turn. Can you call that off if a jack doesnt hit?

Think about it this way. With a donk and a reraise we are either very far behind or slightly ahead.

The best case scenario is one of them has like 9 6 or 8 10 and the other has 6 4 or 5 6. Really wishful thinking thinking tight passives are stacking off with a pair and a gutshot.

Pocket 10s is also a possibility.

But even then, every hand they can have here except pocket 10s has decent equity against us.


If they both got all in on some draws and you would of won don't feel too bad about it, if you're not getting bluffed off the best hand every so often then you are calling way too much.

Against a single spewy opponent I will call this off, against two tight passives trying to work their stacks in i'm snap folding this and being right almost always.
I thought the same thing. With V2's raise size, stacks were going in on the turn (assuming V1 doesn't 3bet jam on the flop). I either had to jam and eek out what little fold equity I had with V1 or fold.

Spoiler:
I folded and V1 jammed, and V2 called. Unfortunately, both villains had an out of character spazz. V1 had 87 and V2 had 65. In case it wasn't tilting enough, a Jack hit on the turn and I would have scooped a monster pot.

They didn't run another big bluff/spazz for the rest of the night, so given their play styles and action in the hand, I feel like I made the right decision.
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11-14-2018 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SABR42
Easy fold.
This. Really easy fold.
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11-15-2018 , 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by DrChesspain
I play with at two guys who open-raise larger with JJ than with their other premiums, because they sincerely hope to just win the blinds, allowing them to quickly release the toxic duo that is JJ.
I think that’s about 90% of the 1-3 population.

As for the hand, my standard play is to fold, against people who are spazzy I’m fine with stacking off but you need a decent amount of history with the players before it’s a realistic option.

Last edited by Badreg2017; 11-15-2018 at 04:44 AM.
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