Game is £1/1, with alot of action, and have many players watching the game, and waiting to get on the table.

Villian 1 has just been at the table for 1 orbit, havent seen him before, however the dealer/floor seem to his name, and hes also on the waiting list for £1/2. I 3bet him once, where someone 4bet shoved pre, he tank folded(said he folded QQ), i called and showed down KK.

Villian 2 is a fish, has no idea how to play poker, keeps on trying to check when its folded to him preflop, and doesnt speak much english.

Effective Stacks
Villian 1: ~£150
Villian 2: ~£100
Hero covers.

Preflop: Hero has KK

Villian 1 (UTG+1) limps, Hero(UTG+2) raises to £8, Villian 2(CO) calls, folds to Villian 1 who calls.

Flop (£26): 899
Villian 1 checks, Hero bets £19, Villian 2 calls, Villian 1 calls.

Turn (£83): 7
Villain 1 bets ~£45 (~£77 behind)

i think if i were in this hand i would flat turn and re-evaluate river, but i'm not sure if that's the right line

some thoughts:

- villain would likely raise flop with a 9
- we are getting a cheap price to see river, especially with a drooler behind
- we have boat outs
- but, JT and 65 feature often in villain's l/c range pre. at the same time, however, a variety of drawing hands like QT or A6 also do and this villain may donk them OTT like this

looking forward to others' comments

ahh he's bluffing alot here isn't he? at least a call

Whether it's right or wrong, this is how I would play it:

Basically, we are beat on the turn and are just hoping for a K on the river. Most likely, villain had J10, 10-9, 9-8, 9-7 IMO.

A J10 or a 9 are the only things that make sense if he's playing straight. Do you think he's shooting with air here? People don't usually do that when fish are in the pot. Does he even know villain 2 is a fish? If he's clever enough, he could have an 8 here, plan on pushing you off, and hope the fish takes a bad draw. $45 is an awfully small bet for that though. I would fold.

This is an interesting spot. I feel like a lot of the time he has some type of club draw that has picked up some added equity on the turn (q10, k10, a10). The hand I would be most worried about is 10 J offsuit which he would conceivably play this way, but I don't think he is showing up with a 9 a whole lot of the time here. I don't think he would play his full houses this way either and it would have been bad to call the flop with 5 6. Of course this is based on standard players at this level so it would be nice to have a better read on the player but given the information I jam it in here. I guess we aren't too worried about the fish behind us, as seemingly he can have ATC. The times he wakes up with a hand that beats us we just shrug our shoulders. It would be bad just to call, as you would price in the fish behind you with his draws. Pretty sure V1 is never folding here, but I expect draws to be a bigger part of his range than hands that beat us. If you were a little deeper you could argue for a flat call or even a fold but given the stack sizes it's "ALLLL IN!"

This board hit villain's range between the eyes with a baseball bat. Villain commits about half his stack on the turn and on the river with one caller will have about 75 left in a pot around 170. He's committed himself with two players behind, one showing strength. You will hit a FH less than 10% of the time. You have a player behind and even tho he's a drooler, he can have a hand, esp. on this board. Because of the size of the pot the decision is on the turn.

I reluctantly fold due to the fact that I don't have enough info on villain #1.

Flatting turn is fine imo but you'll need villain to give up a large amount of the time with his non value hands.

I had no idea what to do here. Based on villian wanting to play £1/2 and knowing the floor personally, im assuming hes decent.

I didnt really want to flat the turn, as assuming Villian 2 folds, the pot will be ~£173 on the river, with £77 to call, assuming he shoves any river card. So im pretty much hoping there is no 6/T/club comes on the river.

Therefore, if i feel he has something like A7cc/A6cc, shouldnt i be shoving the turn? On the other hand, i feel this is a pretty good line for villian to have a 9, to keep Villian 2 in the hand, even though the board is pretty wet.

As you can see, i was totally confused by this hand.

meh.. ya now that i look more closely at villain's stack size i think i'm folding. he has basically committed himself. he is likely ahead IMO

How would you expect him to play TT-QQ pre and on the flop?

i feel like these are unlikely. i don't think this villain is ever limp-calling JJ or QQ UTG+1, it makes no sense unless he's like ridiculously uber-nitty. TT he may play this way through to the turn, as well as a number of hands that we have beat.

however i expect a larger number of hands feature in his range that beat us, looking at his stack size. i mean, unless villain is very unskilled, it doesn't make sense for him to underbet the turn this way unless he's happy to stack off, having invested half his stack in this pot already.

This is a very strong bet by the villain and it's obvious he's now fully committed to the flop and not going anywhere. Although there's now only $128 in the pot and you are asked to contribute another $45 to continue, you can view this as a $205 pot that you have to put up another $122 of your own money to take down (considering you have the villain matched in stack). You have to feel that you are ahead at least 40% (2:5) of the time to make a call here.

The complicating factor also is the other villain yet to act behind you. Since this is not a HU situation, I doubt Villian 1, who's first to act, would be bluffing tons here.

If he doesn't already have a made hand at this point with something like JT, he's likely opened up a strong flush/st8 draw with a hand like ATs. In that case, he has 4+9+3=16 outs to bust your KK about 36% of the time.

All things considered, simply flatting in this spot clearly being the worst move, I personally would favour a fold here. I wouldn't mind a reshove for all your chips either to protect your hand against opponents who like to pursue their draws aggressively.

i play this hand like i have A8 and bet 10 on the flop
fold the to 20 more 30 total check raise unless maybe if i have the K of clubs

as played youre getting outplayed

Based on the previous hand, in which he said he folded QQ, i expect him to raise pre with TT-QQ. So probably not in his range.

So i guess your saying if TT-QQ is in his range, shove. If not, fold?

Same thing happened last night at a game, Villain (in position) has 88 and slowplays the whole way, raising value on the river while Hero (my buddy) has 10-10, this situation was sheer outplaying, but your situation looks like he might have "got there" on the turn

If he never has overpairs - its very hard for him to be taking this line for value with a hand that you beat.

If he does, No I am not saying then it is a turn shove.

It is call call or shove river if checked to depending upon if it is still 3 way.