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Old 12-01-2017, 04:50 AM   #1
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Diamond Over-repping hand?

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Utg was raise 20 (500 behind) pretty abc from just a few orbits together
Hero call utg2 44 (1200)
Mp calls (500) tight passive; calls lots of draws and never bluffs
Jd7s4s (60)
Checks to pfr bets 40
Both call
Turn Qc (180)
Pfr bet 80 I raise 200 mp calls pfr jams 400
Hero?

Question - is the flop wet enough for me to be xr, or am I overrepping and risk losing the pfr (AK, AQ, or QQ-AA if super passive)? The player in MP is what makes it interesting in this spot
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Old 12-01-2017, 05:07 AM   #2
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Re: Over-repping hand?

dream spot. snap call it off.
Let me guess, MP has T9, turned an open ender and got there
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Old 12-01-2017, 05:52 AM   #3
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Re: Over-repping hand?

I would reraise flop there. Almost no turn card helps you unless the board pairs. I'd make them pay through the nose to say in this one.
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Old 12-01-2017, 10:26 AM   #4
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Re: Over-repping hand?

I'm new here and might be missing something.
If UTG was pfr to $20 and the callers were hero in UTG2 and a MP player how did it get checked to the pfr on the flop?
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Old 12-01-2017, 12:49 PM   #5
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Re: Over-repping hand?

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I'm new here and might be missing something.
If UTG was pfr to $20 and the callers were hero in UTG2 and a MP player how did it get checked to the pfr on the flop?
I was wondering the same exact thing when I read this 10 minutes after OP posted it
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Old 12-01-2017, 03:37 PM   #6
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Re: Over-repping hand?

Sorry it should say PFR cbets 40. Still same question applies if I should be raising flop and blowing away possible cbet bluffs...we are smashing the flop here (80% equity) so should I just xr brick turns?


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Old 12-01-2017, 03:51 PM   #7
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Re: Over-repping hand?

The call pre is whatever. Not gonna be happy if someone 3 bets. 44 has no playability from your position postflop.

Flop, is wet enough to raise. But calling is fine also. Would mix it do some of both.

Turn is standard. Never folding set here for 100BB.

Outcome sucks but nothing you can do but GII

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Old 12-01-2017, 03:53 PM   #8
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Re: Over-repping hand?

^standard cooler.

Wether you should raise or flat depends on how often PFR cbets and how often he barrels. If he's a fit or fold kinda guy or only makes one-and-done cbets, raise flop. If not, call.
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Old 12-01-2017, 03:54 PM   #9
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Re: Over-repping hand?

I would raise flop on this board as you can get value from flush draws, 65s, AJ, KJ, QQ-AA. In this hand I would have raised to $130 and then shoved the Qc turn.

Also, in aggressive games I would just fold this pre to an UTG raise as there are way too many players behind you and you will get 3b a lot and will be forced to fold. If the game is passive pre then calling the PFR to set mine is fine.
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Old 12-01-2017, 06:22 PM   #10
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The preflop call seems bad. Otherwise you played it fine, if you had a spade. If no spade, best to just raise the flop
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Old 12-01-2017, 11:21 PM   #11
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The preflop call seems bad. Otherwise you played it fine, if you had a spade. If no spade, best to just raise the flop
4 of spades is on the board. Regardless even if it wasn't. Having 4 of spades has little to no effect on this hand.

It blocks nothing. Not a single combo of flush draw. Not a single bluff combination.

It realley has no effect on wether we should raise flop or not. If anything, I would rather raise with a spade.





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Old 12-02-2017, 02:55 AM   #12
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4 of spades is on the board. Regardless even if it wasn't. Having 4 of spades has little to no effect on this hand.

It blocks nothing. Not a single combo of flush draw. Not a single bluff combination.

It realley has no effect on wether we should raise flop or not. If anything, I would rather raise with a spade.

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Ya my bad for not noticing the 4s was on the board but the rest of your post is nonsensical. Ya, 4s isn't the best / most relevant blocker but it's significant...its a spade so it blocks some flush draws. Pretty simple. And no, we want to slow play more often when we block flush draws for obvious reasons
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Old 12-02-2017, 04:19 AM   #13
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Re: Over-repping hand?

What flush draws does it block? This was a preflop raise from UTG by an ABC player. He doesn’t have many hands with a 4 in them. At best it blocks a4ss when V can’t have 44 (which most people don’t raise there anyway)

Mikko is right.
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Old 12-02-2017, 10:29 AM   #14
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Ya my bad for not noticing the 4s was on the board but the rest of your post is nonsensical. Ya, 4s isn't the best / most relevant blocker but it's significant...its a spade so it blocks some flush draws. Pretty simple. And no, we want to slow play more often when we block flush draws for obvious reasons
How is it significant?

It's good to know about blockers, everyone can read about them everywhere these days.

It is even better when you learn to apply them to your game correctly.

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Old 12-02-2017, 12:54 PM   #15
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Mp is in the hand too who may have 4s5s. Yes they are both tight and it wouldn't block many flush draws but when you have to decide which hands to do what with, these are the details that matter. It makes perfect sense to choose our monsters that slightly block flush draws to slow play with, rather than those without.
In this case it's a moot point since the 4s is on the board.
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Old 12-05-2017, 04:20 PM   #16
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Yes, perfect spot, hopefully he has 2pair. Unlikely he has a set, but if he does oh well, %^&* happens. get it all in.
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Old 12-05-2017, 04:31 PM   #17
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Mp is in the hand too who may have 4s5s. Yes they are both tight and it wouldn't block many flush draws but when you have to decide which hands to do what with, these are the details that matter. It makes perfect sense to choose our monsters that slightly block flush draws to slow play with, rather than those without.
In this case it's a moot point since the 4s is on the board.
we're talking about one combo. It's rounding error here.
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