1/1 at Local casino, Bristol, UK.

''Fishy Friday'' as my friends call it, never fails to amaze us all. As per usual, table full of fish.

Table 2
S1 -(£600) A new friend of mine, doesn't get out of line, plays ABC for the most part but is getting to grips with a new level of poker thinking.
S2 - (£80) Ancient dude, with his medication out on the table, SUPER NIT, plays around 1hand per 2hours? lol
S3- (£300 -4th BI) WHALE. Been at table for about 2hours now, range is anything, calls anything preflop .. has seen to tripple barrel bluff with 8high on more than one occasion, has an obvious bet sizing tell. Called a 4-bet pre with T6o.
S4 (HERO £250) - Winning image, knows a lot of people in the local so very chatty with others and dealer etc, TAG for the most part and know when to pick spots. 3-bet a few times tonight always with premium holdings QQ-AA+AKs.
Shown down one bluff, made a few more in easy spots. Have a good read of the table.
S5 (£350) - Competent player, hasn't shown down many players. LOVES to squeeze in position and so far has squeeze 5/5 spots that i've noticed arrise. Often 3-bets a lot pre flop and OTF. Not seen step out of line, TAG mostly.
S6 (Villian £250) - Fish - slightly more poker knowledge and awareness than s3 whale, however calls preflop WIDE, calls flop WIDER, and calls almost all draws. Capable of folding at most 2p (all be it an easy fold - 78o on an 678ccc board). Chatty guy, bit of an idiot imo. LAG. Seems to have it in his head as he has stated 4/5 times that he thinks im purposefully trying to bluff him.
S7 - (£400) another friend - Super TAG, competent player that is playing below his true level limit.
S8 - (£150 ) Tight preflop, semi tight flop/turn, NIT river. Doesn't step out of line too often, capable of floating A/Khighs in okay boards.
S9 - (£200) Newbie to live, competent online player 'aparantly', keeps leaving table. not much reads other than seems to be NIT.

Hand previous:
Whale opens to £5, hero folds, S5 3-bets £18 and folds round to whale who says loudly £18?! and insta mucks. <-- which was weird as he'd often call these sorts of raises.. think he's a little drunk.

Hand in question; I basically want to know if this line is the most optimal, or if theres a more optimal line?

Whale is UTG in S3. Opens £5
Hero has KKsc I flat. (due to previous hand, i thought S5 would go over the top and perhaps fish S6 would call too, and I plan to 4-bet)
S5 raises to £20 - (plan worked!)
Villian S6 - 4-bets £50 (this wasn't planned, but even better! Not seen V 4-bet pre once, should I be scared or...?)
Folds around to Hero, I 5-bet JAM.. thought was he seems to think im bluffing, maybe he will level into calling this widely..
S5 snap folds,
V snap calls AI.

At this point, i've achieved exactly what I intended, i have a wide range AI with a hand that has his range crushed. I extracted a little extra value from S3 and S5 also after having flatted.

He has AKo and snap called an extra 200BB to a 5-bet shove... a few comments at the table slated his play for this. (it is pretty bad tbf) .. but should I actually be stacking off KK here for 200+BB? or 5-betting to like £120?

Any other lines that would be more optimal? (results of this hand are irrelevant, but those interested board ran out QJ9 T 3)

lol
The results of this hand are relevant.
But not relevant to our discussion of what happened pre flop.*

You painted a picture where you thought that you could get V to stack off really light to you. Everyone then did exactly what you expected. And you got all of your money in a 75% favorite. Nice hand, well played.




*They are only relevant because you are questioning your play because of the results. This is called results oriented thinking. Otherwise you would never post this, and and never ask if it's ok to get KK in pre with this line up and set up. imo. You should think about this and how if may be affecting your game in other ways.

"with his medication out on the table"

hahahahaha! I had to stop reading right there.

Reminds me of a home game I used to play at, except I dunno that "medication" would be the precise, exact word....

Haha, It was like a huge box of pills with a big medical sign on it. I did have a chuckle to myself when he plonked it out on the table.

Is this at Gala? If you are there tonight I'll cya there

Back from Vegas then Ollie ? I hear you did well. (if this is the ollie im thinking of, and the only ollie I know that plays here)
Seen you about 2+2 never thought it was you though!
Catch you tonight dude.

Jesus, what's with the superfluous wall of text? Ffs, people have a life, and digesting live reads of players who fold outright is a waste EVERYBODY'S time.

3-betting 150% pot is an overbet every day of the week. No wonder eveybody folded. (previous hand)

The back-raise plan is risky, as you could find yourself seeing the flop multi-way. Luckily the station woke up with a hand.

All this wall of useless text it's irrelevant.

Now, with so many dudes ahead you know that an over-pair will not be good enough after the flop. You need to flop a set in so big volume pot. All that description of how the dudes play and who's NIT and who's fish or whatever makes no difference with so much action ahead of you. So, you push the action preflop and take it down if you can.

Haha I am definitely not the Ollie you are thinking of. I've only played cash there twice and 3 tourneys.