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Optimal Line with AA in the SB Optimal Line with AA in the SB

08-17-2014 , 05:15 AM
2/5 NL Friday Night

Table has been only open for ~1.5 hours, so reads are somewhat limited.

Hero: 30ish white guy. Wearing hat, headphones (ear-buds), and has not shaved in ~6 days.

Hero has only tabled one hand worth mentioning. Effective stacks for this hand are $500. 30 minutes after the table has opened, hero looks down at AdQd in the CO. Hero raises over a couple of limpers to $25. Four players call and hero has position, as the button folded. Pot is ~$125. Flop comes Qx9c6c. Action is checked around to hero, who bets $100. SB, who is playing ~200, shoves. The rest of the table folds. Hero calls. SB's combo draw misses and MHIG.

OTTH:

V1: (~$700) 25-30 y/o white guy. Has been playing TAGish, but may be opening with a slightly wider range.

V2: (~$400) 30-35 y/o white guy. Has only been at the table for ~45 minutes. Seems loose. Likes to limp, likes to call raises, and will occasionally open pots.

V3: (~$700) 30-35 y/o white guy. Recreational player. Seemed confused about chopping blinds. His bet sizing was also poor, as he bet $20 into a $120 pot with a nutted hand.

Hero (~$640) Hero's table image should be seen as nit/semi-nit/extreme TAG. Hero almost never limps in, and almost always folds his SB in limped pots. Hero did C-bet and then fold to a raise earlier in the session, but I'm not sure if anyone was paying attention.

Picking up the action:

Action folds to V1, in the HJ, who raises to $25 (his standard raise). V2 calls from the CO. Button folds. Hero looks down at AhAd in the small blind. Hero 3-bets to $80. V3, in the BB, tanks for about ~20 seconds and then cold calls hero's 3-bet. V1 calls. V2 calls.

Pot ~$320:

Flop is QJ5r

Action is on hero. You and why? Feedback on all streets is appreciated.
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08-17-2014 , 05:34 AM
Potentially 3 bet larger pre. 95ish given you're out of position post.

I'm betting 220 there, calling off the short stack, if he shoves, hating life if one of the bigger stacks flats
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08-17-2014 , 05:34 AM
Ewww....I know this is going to seem nitty to most posters on this forum but I'm checking flop and seeing what ensues instead of betting out. Reason for this is because of the Q and J on the flop (also being OOP doesn't help) with 3 other players 1 of them, especially the BB, could have QQ or JJ and then you're drawing to only 2 outs or maybe less, one of the other opponents could have AK or AQ.

Last edited by Aces&Kings; 08-17-2014 at 05:40 AM.
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08-17-2014 , 06:41 AM
SPR of less than 2 and we have aces. Bet 200 and gii if raised.
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08-17-2014 , 09:01 AM
Pre flop- if villains are in a call to smash mood I'd size my 3/bet as big as I think they would call with their entire range.
Villain open raised in late position so he might/should have a wider range that doesn't always include pairs.
BB cold calling range might look like 1010+ AQs+

Flop- not the best board for your hand in a 3/bet, I still like a bet on this texture, hands like KQ 109s K10s might peel, so I think betting 50-55%(maybe even 40-50%) and folding to a raise/shove would be our best option, if you bet big and then get shoved you're going to hate life.
I don't think I'm ever checking in this spot, still value in betting just have to size accordingly.
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08-17-2014 , 09:42 AM
bet 220 and get it in
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10-22-2014 , 09:23 PM
I know I'm just chiming in, but SPR 2 and AA as played ==> autopilot 1/2 stack on flop other half on turn, no thinking required.
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10-23-2014 , 12:18 AM
We are barely 100bb deep in a 4 way 3 bet pot with AA?

This flop is actually good because it hits the crap out of their ranges. Lots of KQ and JTs combos out there to get value from. Bet $200 and gii.
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10-23-2014 , 04:47 AM
i like larger raises so i dont give away money to weaker hands. just me.
here i like getting it all in somehow. you cant be afraid of every flop.
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10-23-2014 , 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Koss
We are barely 100bb deep in a 4 way 3 bet pot with AA?

This flop is actually good because it hits the crap out of their ranges. Lots of KQ and JTs combos out there to get value from. Bet $200 and gii.
+1

The benefit with 100bb stack, its fairly easy to play and you wont make a ton of mistakes in this kind of spots. 200-300bb deep the situation gets more tricky tho....
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10-23-2014 , 06:44 AM
Slightly more PF allows for a PSB equal to the shorty's remaining stack here. Being OOP, you need to charge more so you don't end up where you are here ... OOP against multiple opponnets who assume you have a strong holding PF from the SB.

AP, This is an 'OK' board, but I don't like the multi-way pot OOP.

Ordinarily I would bet $155 (less than 50% of shorty's stack) to keep the action open if shorty shoves. Then I can isolate and/or gii with my stack before any more cards come out. If someone has JJ I'm just hoping it's the shorty and I can get a side pot open to get some chips back from one of the taller stacks.

In this case, I think I may just go with the 2/3 PSB and hope that we dont see a card above 9 OTT. Then shove away!! GL
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10-23-2014 , 06:50 AM
I think preflop had to be be larger size like ard 100 which would make spr lower and easier to play post flop.
As player I would check here, not to give up but to see what bb does here coz his cold calling range is really JJ QQ type hand.
If all 3 players gii after u check I think we can be ok to fold I guess?
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10-23-2014 , 06:56 AM
BB is the clueless rec player. Unfortunately we werent given a read on his preflop habits or willingness to call raises, butnin general these guys are likely to cold call a wider range. If he is playing lots of hands and calling a lot of raises im not scared at all.
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10-23-2014 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
SPR of less than 2 and we have aces. Bet 200 and gii if raised.
+1
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10-23-2014 , 09:02 PM
that pot is over half the size of your stack and worth winning it now. too many hands and draws can beat you later on this hand if you fool around.
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10-24-2014 , 03:28 AM
Thanks for all of the replies. I thought my line was pretty standard, but I was curious to see what other people thought. I posted this hand awhile ago, so I'm going to post the results in the spoiler.

Spoiler:
Hero leads flop for $210 (2 blacks and 2 reds). V3, the rec player, goes into the tank. He starts sloppily counting all of his chips. After ~40 seconds he declares "all in." The rest of the table folds. Hero shakes his head and calls. V3 tables KK(??) and my hand is good.
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10-24-2014 , 04:26 AM
Standard. Nice hand. Only thing I would have done different is make it $100 preflop.
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