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Open ended straight draw getting there on the river Open ended straight draw getting there on the river

09-01-2013 , 07:46 AM
V1 in SB, early 20s, has been playing solid. Seems to bluff from time to time ($800)
V2 in middle Position. mid 40s guy who thinks he invented poker and seems to be LP ($500)
Hero in CO: Has been playing TAG since joining and got caught on one bluff. However has shown down strong Hands besides that ($600)

Hero is dealt QJ

Preflop
UTG raises to $10
Mid Position calls
V2 calls
Hero calls
V1 calls

Flop (30$) 1095
V 1 bets $30
V2 calls $30
hero raises $120

What do you think here about the raise? I thought I had some folding equity here and that both guys are unlikely to bet the turn which would allow me to potentially get a free Card. So rather then having to call a bet on the turn, I thought it would be better to put in a raise here.

V1 decides to call, V2 folds

Turn
3

V1 checks, hero checks. Should I have fired here again?

River
8

V1 checks, hero does what? Shove allin to make it look like a bluff? Trying to bet smalls around $120 to get a call? Bet around $200?
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09-01-2013 , 09:48 AM
Is this $1/2 or $2/5?

On the flop my usual play is to just call. I wouldn't count the overcards as outs...someone could have J10 or Q10, ruining our overcard outs. Without the overcard outs, we just have a ~32% draw, so not a monster draw.

I think raising is ok too though, I believe they are both +EV.

On the turn, I also check behind. There's $300 in there and he only has like $390 left. Tough to see that we have much fold equity.

On the river, we now know his range is almost exclusively 10-X, 87, and J8.

I would bet $300. The ten-X hands are our target here, and villain may look us up due to our turn check behind.

Last edited by BenT07891; 09-01-2013 at 09:56 AM.
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09-01-2013 , 11:47 AM
You're all over the place in this hand.

Your flop raise is very strong, but also very risky given the stack sizes at the table. But if you make this play, I think you have to follow through with a big bet on the turn to get him off an overpair or stubborn AT. You can't just leave that $320 out there trying to draw to your straight. Bet $200 or so and call a jam. You're repping a set here, and you're doing it very well with a sizable bet on the turn. It will be extremely hard for him to call without a set himself.

As played on the turn, I think shoving river is best. Either he doesn't believe you or he does, and best to get max value when he doesn't believe you.
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09-01-2013 , 11:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenT07891
There's $300 in there and he only has like $390 left.
V1 made the call, he has $800 to start the hand and we have $600. So after flop action, there is $470 left.
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09-01-2013 , 09:13 PM
On river, I'm betting what I think he'll call. So here about 1/2 pot or 150. I don't see him calling much bigger even tho our line looks fishy.

Preflop fine.

Flop I call. If you raise to 120 you have to follow thru on turn as Imallinnow said.
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09-01-2013 , 10:29 PM
I agree that the turn is a 3/4 pot bet if you elect to raise the flop as you did. I prefer a flat OTF as opposed to a raise.

In this spot, I generally prefer taking the conservative route, drawing with the right price, and getting paid when I hit. As stated I do think that both flatting and raising the flop are +EV.
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09-01-2013 , 10:34 PM
OTR I'm making a fishy looking pot sized bet most of the time here.

I think with our unusual line and funky perceived range, a PSB is probably getting called more than half as often as a 1/2 pot bet. That being the case, go big OTR!
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