You realize there are huge whales at higher stakes, and good players there would actually exploit them better and fight for their money more aggressively?

Anyway, I'd bet 234, 222, or 220 or 255if they only allow $5 increments.

No reason to bet bigger. I like betting as it gives you a wider air range. Do not fold to a jam.

If he has it he has it; good for him.

The 4-bet narrows Hero holdings to QQ+/AK weighted more toward a pp given his image. C-betting seems to be very read-dependent at this point, i.e. what % of the time will this opponent fold to a c-bet given the range we put them on?

The opponent began with $1,150 and has invested $320, or ~28% of stack. He called the 4-bet for $180 more getting pot odds of 2.8-1, pretty good if he has a pair considering the number of QQ+ combos vs. AK combos Hero may have. The villain could have one or two of these cards so the ~50/50 ratio would obviously shift.

Let’s say he will fold 25% of the time. If he calls most (<75%) of the time, we have a 12-13% of spiking an A or K OTT. If he raises we have to fold.

Problem is the sizing. If we bet say $200 which could be minimally EV+ from a strict mathematical perspective, the sizing looks very weak. We just 4-bet to $320 and now we lead for less on a dry flop.

As played, I’d C/F. Opted to flat pre, so obviously I'm on the nitty side.

Why would a 4bet narrow our holdings? Flatting the 3bet narrows our holdings way more; if we 4bet we can have air. If we flat we can have basically no air, only strong/decent hands.

Holy **** you realize that when you make it that sizing you could be getting flatted by any KQ blocker 3bet or J9s T8s type hand that decided to 3bet right?

If he has QQ or similar he's flatting the flop; a shove makes close to no sense; good players will not do it, but I'm def calling if a jam happens after cbetting small. How else do I bluff in this spot if my entire bet range is to bet/fold?

You are completely lost with this post. His 4bet calling range can't be wider than his 3bet range since he is the one 3betting in this hand, lol

Seriously? Obviously it can't ACTUALLY be wider. The post was in response to people (like yourself) thinking that he could have hands like 88 or 99. IF he did 3bet with said hands, he would probably call a 4bet but I think he just calls with those. I actually know what he did 3bet/call with so it's really not fair for me to 'estimate' his range (but I now know what it is.)

Telling me I'm lost after advocating 'flatting' pre is (insert snide comment here.)

Here you go again with off base comments. Why would a station ever 3bet 88/99 . The scare crow from the wizard of oz couldn't think of that. His 3bet range should be the jj plus. Flop and blockers take out jj, aa and kk. Flatting ak suited vs 2 opponents is actuality the better way to proceed in this hand given dynamics and blockers. 4Betting with almost zero fold equity is poor planning. Unless you need position and cards. Which most people do.

cliffs pls?

At some point, when nobody supports your theories, you'd think you'd give up. Big marks for your resilience.

I had a plan, at the time I underestimated V2's 3betting range (and his 4bet calling range) and I got a terrible flop (despite what you think.)

I'm also remembering why you were supposed to refrain from posting in strat threads.

Despite what I know now, at the time, folding was the correct play, 4betting was 2nd best and calling hardly crossed my mind.

GL

Turn/River results?

II don't expect people to support my theories, im like an artist before his time, I don't expect people to see what I see.

Folding's perfectly fine, yeah, if you think villain doesn't 3bet air that much. Did you?

At least you learned 4betting this spot is a tag noob mistake.

folding preflop is too weak, imho.

It's funny that I still find your insults upsetting.
You're arguing with people that actually make a living playing poker.
Most artists die broke

Would phil ivey fold ak suited preflop to stations? I don't think so. Compared to live players that's what I think my skill set is at. Or at least try to think how they would play a situation.

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Folding prF is the correct play... it's not weak at all.

I don't know what Phil Ivey would do and neither do you. And who cares what Phil Ivey would do anyways. He plays in an entirely different player pool for huge stacks.

We can flat and rep jj/qq/AK, have RIO when we hit an ace or king. We can fold vs a tight passive ep raise and a 3b from a station. Or we can overrep and be in a crap spot oop.

I think fold>raise>call

This is so dependent on table dynamics that it is hard to give a correct answer.

Sometimes I fold here, sometimes I 4bet, sometimes I call.

Fwiw in a box folding here versus a tighter 3bet range is +EV.

Im picturing your pic Cali. Post one if you will since Im envisioning a guy with ballz so large that his feet dont touch the ground.

So, you construct a range...then ignore it and conclude flatting is best because folding is too weak? Solid reasoning.

You talk about others making noob comments like "set mining", but then you won't fold AK because of its absolute strength rather than relative?

I never said it was a strong hand. All this absolute vs relative talk lately is cute but meaningless at the same time. If you read my post correctly it's about blockers and a suited ace. Only noobs can't decipher the strength of thier hand. I can admit that for the most part im not going to hold anyones hand and explain every detail.