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06-24-2020 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
If you are currently break-even at LLSNL, you can improve to be a winner simply by studying, replying to, and posting hands in this forum. CLP is probabaly about the same level, if you learn better by video (based on feedback I've heard, I haven't used it). Once that stuff becomes old hat, then look at one of the more complex training sites, imo.

But step one is to get rid of "probably" and ruthlessly track your results. You can get started as an active poster ITF at the same time, but if you're guessing about your results you are guessing about everything.
Solid post. I live in an area where casino aren’t offering poker. I guess I was looking to use that time studying until regular games resume.

What does everyone use to track life results? Spreadsheet? Done sort of apps?
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06-24-2020 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
If you are currently break-even at LLSNL, you can improve to be a winner simply by studying, replying to, and posting hands in this forum. CLP is probabaly about the same level, if you learn better by video (based on feedback I've heard, I haven't used it). Once that stuff becomes old hat, then look at one of the more complex training sites, imo.

But step one is to get rid of "probably" and ruthlessly track your results. You can get started as an active poster ITF at the same time, but if you're guessing about your results you are guessing about everything.
I don't necessarily agree...Bart would be in the 1 percentile of posters in LLSNL, and you'll learn a lot faster through CLP
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06-24-2020 , 09:40 PM
Depends on how you learn. I find that the interactive nature of discussing hands is much more valuable to me than just reading/listening to someone's thoughts.

As for tracking results, I just use Excel, but most people use an app like Poker Income Tracker. Because I don't use one, I don't have a recommendation. PIT is just an example.
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06-24-2020 , 09:42 PM
That's obviously very helpful, and it has no doubt had the biggest impact in my progression, but not everyone that responds is Bart Hanson level.
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06-24-2020 , 10:12 PM
That is definitely true, but 1) learning to separate the wheat from the chaff is a very valuable exercise and 2) you can get a lot of insight into how your Vs are thinking.
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06-24-2020 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
I don't necessarily agree...Bart would be in the 1 percentile of posters in LLSNL, and you'll learn a lot faster through CLP
I think you mean 99th percentile. What you wrote means 99% of posters are better
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06-24-2020 , 11:27 PM
Yeah, 99percentile
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06-24-2020 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
I think you mean 99th percentile. What you wrote means 99% of posters are better
Lmfao a CLP sub who doesn’t understand how percentiles work..

No wonder sims and solvers are looked down upon
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06-24-2020 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by RoadtoPro
Lmfao a CLP sub who doesn’t understand how percentiles work..

No wonder sims and solvers are looked down upon
That's good stuff right there
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06-24-2020 , 11:56 PM
Bart Hanson has been playing poker professionally for 20 years and still plays 5/5 as his main game.

This tells you that those who can’t do, teach.

Would much rather learn from someone or a group of people that could beat 5/5 in their sleep.
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06-25-2020 , 07:17 AM
My guess is that over 99% of the people watching training videos are never stopping the show to think about what they would do and why before watching the trainer give the answer. Videos don't let others review your logic and critique it.
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06-25-2020 , 08:32 AM
Ik op thinks I'm here to tard up his thread, but the above post is where his head should be. Even if videos are giving good info it is often above the consumer's head, and will very likely not be implemented properly.

These video guys sell the idea that you can watch "x" hours of paid content and "crush live poker". Likewise so many 2p2 strategy replies are garbage, but it gives someone the chance to think critically and ask..why is this post trash.

I remember the hay days when ppl literally learned how to play from tv without realizing how much footage was edited to show nuts and bluffs. This created a spew bot/auto fold hybrid. Only experience taught them otherwise.

OP I'm not here to troll you, but the fact that you haven't had pages of positive replies regarding clp should indicate its value.
If you subscribe then let it be only a part of a balanced diet
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06-25-2020 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
Ik op thinks I'm here to tard up his thread, but the above post is where his head should be. Even if videos are giving good info it is often above the consumer's head, and will very likely not be implemented properly.

These video guys sell the idea that you can watch "x" hours of paid content and "crush live poker". Likewise so many 2p2 strategy replies are garbage, but it gives someone the chance to think critically and ask..why is this post trash.

I remember the hay days when ppl literally learned how to play from tv without realizing how much footage was edited to show nuts and bluffs. This created a spew bot/auto fold hybrid. Only experience taught them otherwise.

OP I'm not here to troll you, but the fact that you haven't had pages of positive replies regarding clp should indicate its value.
If you subscribe then let it be only a part of a balanced diet
Your opinion is your opinion. I don’t consider your experience invalid or trolling. I don’t believe that any training would make me a crusher, but open my eyes to new ideas regarding the game the same way reading books do. For example, solvers are great, but I’ve noticed a few videos where the author of the video gives a good idea of how to extrapolate the info from the solvers and apply it in game.
I’d like to learn more about flop textures, range advantages, when to c-bet, when not, and the theories behind the decision making process, etc.
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06-25-2020 , 03:03 PM
twoplustwo is pretty toxic imo; don't soley rely on this site or take it too serious, make the majority of your learning elsewhere, wherever that may be , and then come here once in a while to get some feedback, it's just always a mixed bag of responses, some people are just way off, some are trolling, and some are giving good advice but overall its not the most effective way to learn bc everyone is trying to one up each other instead of just learning
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06-25-2020 , 04:04 PM
If anyone is trolling ITF, report it. Trolling strat threads is not allowed in LLSNL.

That said, there are a lot of beginners in this forum, so don't assume trolling when inexperience may be the issue.
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06-25-2020 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
If anyone is trolling ITF, report it. Trolling strat threads is not allowed in LLSNL.

That said, there are a lot of beginners in this forum, so don't assume trolling when inexperience may be the issue.
I’ve read your posts. I’m pretty sure you know your sh*t. And Venice too.
And the few times I give feedback I try to justify it. Explain why I feel a certain action should be taken. That way someone can point out flaws in my thinking.
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06-25-2020 , 05:50 PM
I know I'm missing some, but the best start posters are JohnnyBuz, Mr Spyutastic, Johnny on the spot, Alan Bostick, WJ94/WJ294, QuadJ, Samo, and BlindingLaser
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