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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
I dont know that for sure. Im just basing my range for him on his position and his frequency of his raises. I think your range is way too wide for an ABC TAG type player UTG.
Maybe we mean something different by ABC, solid TAG.
To me a solid ABC TAG player is a strongly winning player using standard ranges, the kind you would find in modern poker books or on training sites.
This range is from crush live poker (and actually intended for LLSNL games like this) for UTG and is close to what I use:
77+, ATs+, A5s, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, AQo+
At an action table with little 3 betting I will go a bit wider on the pocket pairs but drop the suited connectors and AXs at some frequency. I still open them some but 98s for example I may drop to 25%. Once I raise to 20 however and get 3 bet to 60 by what is likely something like JJ+ AQs+ AK+, I am usually calling 40 with 98s. We are just barely deep enough for a call with such hands. Against you specifically, assuming I know how tight you are postflop and unlikely to pay me off, I may fold, but you seem like a very easy target for semibluffs (or even naked bluffs) so then again maybe not. And I mean no insult by that as it's usually correct in these games to exploitably fold to such aggression.
This is a pretty standard open range for 9-handed.
Janda goes even wider, though he favors AXs to SCs :
77+, A9s+, A5s-A2s, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, AQo+, KQo
Most of these hands we don't 4-bet are worth a call vs. a 3x raise 1k deep. If we use the conservative 15/25/35 rule, calling 98s for example we have 40*25 = 1000 making it breakevenish just for the nutmining qualities of the hand. Add that it's a good bluffing hand vs. you and we have a profitable call. So yes I think a solid ABC Euro guy at an action table 1000 effective (or was he 1300 deep?) is indeed typically raise/calling *something like*
JJ-55, ATs+, A5s-A4s, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, AQo+
With the caveat some of the weaker hands may be folded or 4 bet bluffed at some frequency, and AK is 4 bet at some frequency. I think this is *close* for villain as described. Maybe he has 7% instead of 9% of hands but it is close.
Much closer than thinking you only beat AK/TT.
BUT if by solid ABC player you mean a typical nitty, unimaginative reg with no bluffs who wins a 3 to 5 blinds an hour, then my range is likely way off.
To me that is just not the definition of a solid ABC player.
And are we disagreeing on his UTG open range or the hands he opens and calls a 3 bet, or both?