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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
I'd love you to quote one of my posts in this thread where I said I knew exactly what to do. Are you even reading my posts?
Ok get ready for this nice long post m8. Maybe you don't state directly that you know exactly what you are doing but anytime somebody posts a different train of thought to yours, you immediately justify your train of thought rather than attempting to understand a different perspective.
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Not 3 betting pre on an action table in this spot is really bad. If I flat, this hand is going 3-5 ways to the flop.
Example of you knowing exactly what to do and dismissing a different perspective. What's funny is what you state afterwards...
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Check the flop back to keep the pot from getting bloated when I lose to AA/KK/JJ which are the 3 most likely hands for him to have. I havent seen a single showdown but he appears to be pretty ABC.
This is for Mr Destiny who I guess doesnt understand keeping a pot small after 3 betting preflop.
Here you go incredibly defensive again and attacking my different train of thought. You 3bet QQ for value I assume, flop an overpair on a dryish flop where you will rarely be beat. Then proceed to not bet because you might be beat as you range Villain to have mostly hands that beat you but none that you beat. IDK what kind of mentality this is, but it seems like a very bad one. You are also ranging villain very narrow while stating that you have not seen a showdown. How are you ranging him so narrow? As you have stated later in the thread that you have 1000+ hrs playing poker. Are you telling me someone is incapable of being card dead for 2-3 hrs? You also add the info that he is stuck $500. Don't you think this might have an impact on his continuing range on all streets?
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
All of that is true vs lots of guys. This guy just seemed very disciplined and ABC. Almost robotic. I didnt see him opening any speculative type hands UTG.
When he opened UTG and called my 3 bet, I put him on a pretty tight range.
An ABC player isnt going to have much more than AA-JJ or AK, maybe AQs.
You have not seen any showdowns, so of course you haven't seen any speculative hands from UTG. You haven't seen a single one of his hands. Then you automatically assume a range for this player and disregard anyone posting that this villain is probably going to have a wider range in this spot. Does not matter, you think this is his range, so you can justify your passive line.
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
The river card doesnt change anything but his river lead does. If he "probably wont put a lot of pressure" on me, then he probably isnt bluffing the river, right?
Here you again are defending your train of thought rather than acknowledging a different one. Villain isn't really repping a hand here and you are at the top of your range given your line and you put him on a hand stronger than QQ? Why don't you think he is capable of value-betting a worse hand given your line? If I'm V I will definitely think a J is good here.
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
So, if my total win rate is very high and my total variance (StnDev) is low, then clearly my "range" of non standard lines is working out in my favor above and beyond standard lines. Believe it or not I do know what standard lines look like as I used to play that way. The key is to get better and better at limiting the times I get less value and maximizing the times I get extra value. That's something Ive gotten better and better at and why my win rate is at an all time high the past 1000+ hours.
So whether or not you like the way I played this hand and whether or not I should've called the river this time, you should really consider this concept if you are serious about poker...as opposed to the tired old "you suck at poker because you don't play exactly like I do" schtick.
For the life of me I cant figure out why certain people continually refuse to adjust and play the same old tired lines. Then they complain about how poker is getting tougher every year. Its kind of sad actually.
Here you go implying that you are superior (than those who take standard lines) and can "back it up" as your win rate, taking these non-conventional passive lines, has increased. And I find you quite a hypocrite as you basically dismiss all advice on how other posters would play the hand, and just try to justify why you played it your way.
All your posts are just about justifying/defending the way you played your hand and your thought process. Why are you asking for advice on a hand when I guess you feel like you played it in the way that would maximise your EV? Idk what you were trying to learn from posting this hand. Seems like you just want people to acknowledge that you made a hero-fold. Congrats m8, I'm sure everyone has made a big fold once.