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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Checking the flop is not a mistake. Its just a non standard play to mix in from time to time. I would bet the flop most of the time but not every time. If I had bet the flop and he folded (which happens all the time) I wouldnt have posted the hand. It wouldnt have been very interesting now would it?
It seemed to me that you are checking flop here 100% of the time, a clear mistake given that you are in position as the aggressor with a stronger range especially when you are playing vs a "solid player" that doesn't get out of line. Seems like you are not taking the line that will maximise your EV, so seems like a mistake to me.
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
So you are critiquing my play and it seems stupid to you, but you should be opening your mind to alternative lines that can make you much tougher to read and increase your win rate. My mistake in this hand was folding the river after taking an alternative line. If anyone is counting thats the 7th time I said the river was a mistake.
Yes I am going to critique your play, that is the point of posting a HH I believe... I am open to alternative lines, just don't understand why you state that you are, when all evidence points towards you not being open to an alternative line. All you do is defend your line and often times have contradicting arguments.
Additionally, I find that taking aggressive lines will generally make you much tougher to read rather than passive ones.
And I don't really care about the river by now. I am more interested on why you think checking flop is not a mistake, and your thoughts on your turn line. Betting $50 into $120? Seems like an awful sizing to use with both value and draws IMO.
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Let me give you another example hand
I open $20 in MP KJ. An aggro guy calls in the BB
Flop ($40) K64. He checks. I check back. If I posted this hand and didnt bet the flop people's head would explode. (OMG you have TP you have to bet)
Turn ($40) 3. He leads $50. I call
River ($140) 2. He bets $125. I tank for a while and then call.
He had QJ. I made an extra $175 by checking the flop and underepping my hand. Could I have gotten outdrawn by doing that? Of course. He couldve had 33 or 5x or a few other hands that outdrew me
My point is that there are plenty of ways to make money playing poker. If I posted this KJ hand, this same type of argument wouldve broken out. If I had bet the flop in this KJ kand which I would do 75% of the time, he wouldve check/folded and I wouldnt have posted the hand.
The dynamics of this hand are far different to the original post. V is aggro, so he will probably overbluff that spot. V is in the BB, his range will be a lot wider. Your range is probably a bit wider from MP.
I would also take the line you took from time to time vs an aggro.
And you are being resulted oriented, like you have been before. You could have also potentially gained a lot more if you bet the flop and V check-raised you and fired off his entire stack on a stone-cold bluff and you end up calling.
My message is that you state that the majority of people here are stubborn with their standard lines but really it's YOU that is stubborn with your non-conventional lines.
Next time you post a hand be open to new ideas instead of trying to justify your 'creative' line. It's YOUR thread, YOU were asking for advice on this spot, you received a lot of information on it but all YOU have done is defend your viewpoint. But its up to you to take all the value that has been created in this thread and potentially improve your game. Or YOU can be stubborn and just carry on playing your creative passive playstyle which you naively think is superior than the ABC players.