Been at table about an hour and been mixing it up nothing too crazy.
Villain OMC showed one hand, AK he raised EP one caller flops King high cbets takes it down and shows big slick.

OTTH 1-3nl
Hero(450) CO 55
Villain(400) BB
I make it 10 folds to V thinks for a bit and 3bets to 35 I call and we are HU to Flop (70) 568
V bets 50.
At this point I am wondering does this Old Man have exactly what OMC is suppose to have ie. AA & KK and poss QQ or JJ?
I don't want to scare him off by raising so I flat call
Turn(170) 7 making the board (568 7)
Villain pretty quickly takes the 5 red chips he has in his hand and adds it to a full stack of red and slides it out for 125 leaving himself ~200. Hero?
Does he have to have AA, KK, QQ here?
Shouldn't he be worried I have a set or the straight?

this one is tough. preflop is fine. but i think raising this flop is the way to go. click it back imo. minraising with sets works well from my experience. too great of odds to call for your opponent so they wont let go of their overpairs (and overcards too) no matter how scared they are. i think calling is not so bad either though.

if this guy does have a straight i assume he has 99?

the description of him betting quickly by adding 5 reds to a stack seems like a tell of weakness. 125 is also a common amount people use to bluff whereas 100 is the goto value bet.

an overpair doesnt make much sense for him to have in this spot since he should be scared that he's beat. he could have 99 or a higher set. obviously a higher set is a disaster here. but based on the amount and how he bet the turn i feel like he just has overcards that whiffed and is using the straightening board to scare you off of a hand like A8 or something.

i think the correct play here is to call the turn and be prepared to call it off on the river if the board doesn't pair. that being said i probably just shove the turn myself cause im an idiot.

Villain is OOP and so, though he may be scared you have him beat, he feels he has to keep betting his over pairs.

So he can still have over pairs.

Does he have anything else? Yes quite possibly. Not all old men are nits. Even the ones that are tight are still able to identify steal raises and loosen up a bit to combat them. You really have no read other than he is old and chose to show a hand.

V can have TT+, 2pair, sets and straights. I doubt he is bluffing with over cards since you called the flop bet IP you can have a 9 or 2pair quite a lot here and not be folding.

You could also have a set and not be folding!

I'd call the turn and evaluate the river. Whenever villain can be betting a range of some losing and some winning AND you have outs against the winning hands you should call. You can't read this guy accurately enough to justify a fold with a set. Call and see what he does on the river.

If you raise turn you will gii against everything that beats you and fold out the hands you beat.

yeah even if he has the straight you have the nearly right implied odds to hit a boat (125 to win 295 plus his remaining 200=125 to win 495 ie 4:1) problem is when he has a higher set.

Set over set sucks but I don't think we can get away from it at 133bb with no reads. Just a cooler.

Kept thinking he was going to show up with AA or KK
So I called the 125 and a river of 2
Now he pretty quickly announces "all in" for his last 200 and slides two more stacks of red forward
Now what? Is is possible he still has AA or KK and I'm ahead, or should I just fold
Hero?

The better regs in my game would have slowed down with overpairs after I called the turn. On the other hand there are a few who I can think of who just shovel their stacks in with overpairs regardless of what comes but they are in a minority among the regs for sure.

Tricky without more in depth reads.

I think many bad players come unstuck with overpairs when they don't get raised because they figure they must still be ahead so why not keep betting for value?

I think V would have expected a raise on flop or turn from you if you had 2pair+ If he is nit tight he probably projects this ranges onto you and so thinks you have primarily QQ-TT here.

If he is looser than you think then he can have some 2pair as well as the straight. I doubt he has many sets as most players just flat them pre and hope to flop a set.

If he has KK/AA he can very well get fatalistic about it and bet all his chips thinking if he's beat he's beat but you should have QQ-TT here and not some stupid straight!

With the amount in the pot and the possibility V does this with KK AA and the occasional 2pair as well as an unlikely straight I guess we have sufficient pot odds to call.

I call and show my set immediately I think.

What is the reasoning for showing first since we are not obligated to show first in this scenario?

Otherwise I'll look like I slow rolled when he shows his AA. If he has me beat he's going to show anyway and if he mucks we know he had KK+.

You can also still ask him to show even if he tries to muck and it wouldn't be a big deal since he should show first anyway.

I Don't think we can fold sets in 3! pots HU, ever. Well almost ever. We just don't have the right reads to fold this.

im a pay off wizard. case in point, i would pay this off. villain shows us 99 and yeah makes sense. that and bigger sets is what he's repping. though even bigger sets might check call because they think there is no value in betting. good chance he is going to have 99 here.

Call.

easy call. villains an omc im not worried about him showing up with 98s or 99. kinda weird that he kept betting the turn, but i think him just playing bad is wayyyy more likely

Maybe your PF range is spot on and he's terminally ill and dgaf, maybe he's old school and views the board as all bricks and be gettin dem chips in w acers, maybe he's genuinely bluffing god knows what for god knows what reason. Perhaps you've put him in the wrong bucket and he 3b all his pairs. Idk, it looks like a calldown and when he shows you 77 you'll be able to adjust.

I'm a payoff wizard extrodanair and so I did what I always do, called and lost to 99.
Did not want to believe OMC could 3bet anything other than AA & KK but clearly he is capable

That's unfortunate. You could have folded river if stacks were 200bb+ and he still wanted to gii but here the river bet was small enough that pot odds were such he doesn't have to have many AA-TT combos to make your call +EV.

In future I'd adjust his 3bet-vs-steals range to be something like 88+ AQ+, maybe AJ/KQ are in there too but impossible to say.

I'd still assume V 3bets tighter against EP/MP raises until I see different. However I'd think he's certainly 3betting QQ+ AK (maybe JJ too) rather than just KK+

I don't mind the preflop raise but I also don't think open limping is as horrible in this spot as I used to.

Facing the 3bet we're getting about 16:1 implied odds against what is almost certainly a big overpair, in position, with what will be a SPR ~5 spot (where getting in stacks postflop will be trivial). I'm guessing this will be a profitable setmining spot, so I also call.

Too many scare cards to just flat the flop, imo. 12 cards put 4-to-a-straight, 4 random Aces might kill action against his KK, etc. I just raise now to $150 and hope he puts us on 7x/99/etc.

Weird bet by Villain on turn. Most AA/etc. just sigh check here. At this point, we might have to revert back to basics, in that actions on later streets take precedence over actions on earlier streets. In this case, OMC seems to be fine with continuing for $400 stacks (which is a decent amount), which means more chance he has 99 or even a bigger set. Difficult spot and really read dependent. Exactly how old is this guy? Is he like ancient? The more ancient he is, the more we have to take into account his brain probably just ain't working too good (I saw many examples of this against an ancient last night, who was a typical OMC but also did random WTF plays that made zero sense).

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Vietnam vet age, not WWII vet

Shove all day

As long as you called on the river, nh. This is why you called pf in what would ordinarily be a bad call against a good player. People who play 1 hand per hour are only 3 betting big over pairs. When they get one, they feel entitled to win the hand, no matter how the board plays out. They aren't letting go because you called. In their mind, you can easily have TT-KK and feel like they do, that you can't fold.

If he shows up with anything lower than QQ, then he's just running bad and adjust.