1/2 NL Live Game at WV Casino

Been at table about one orbit - seems friendly. Some chatter and such. No real reads.

Villain: 50s. White guy, blue collar type - NASCAR hat on. Not a deep thinking player but not a total donkey. No reads hand wise.

STACKS: Villain has $250. Hero covers.

UTG straddles for $5. He gets 2 callers. Hero is on BTN with KK and raises to $25.

Villain is in SB and takes a fidgety 45 seconds before announcing All In.

Is this an easy call? An easy fold? Just would like to check in and see what y'all do here.

I think you're generally wasting value when folding KK pre. This is no exception. Snap it off and expect to be good usually. Folding is going to be a -EV play here.

Snap call

seen things like TT+/AK in these spots, so not folding KK here.

Yeah, because your posting on 2+2 I'm guessing the V showed up with AA but I think you have to call because ,JJ,QQ,AK (together) probably make up a larger portion of his range than AA

wow, if he really is that dumb to play AA that way, no one can convince me poker is dead

If shoving with AA here is the dumbest thing youve ever seen someone do then poker might be dead, at least in your neck of the woods.

the straddle makes this hand 50bb effective, and there is no way you can fold kings in this circumstance unless villain is tight as can be old man coffee who only 3bets the nuts.

Since we have only been at the table a very short amount of time, we need to call it off. If we had been at the table for 5 hours, and this guy didn't play a hand, then we could consider folding.

Lol really sauhund? Well I guess poker might be dead. Snap it off OP.

Obviously the guy had AA (which is why you decided to post I'm guessing) but youmade the right call. Folding KK pf @ llsnl is almost never good imho.

Call me tight, I'm folding and telling absolutely no one.

3overbets (25 -> 250) at this level are AA so often.

Snap calling

If we were much deeper, then it may have required some thought as I've seen some of these tight nitty old guys over shove 200bb with AAs just because they're happy to take down the $50 in the middle. I'm rarely ever folding KKs pre unless I have super solid evidence and have seen V do this in the exact same situation and in no others. Folding KKs pre is def -EV. Snap it off and more times than not it's good. Don't forget that you still have an 18% chance to win vs AAs so all is not lost. Well maybe in your case, but you still made the correct play.

Did the field callers fold? Not that it's much of a factor as far as your question. As mentioned the straddle makes us shallower in terms if bbs although all villains don't consider this but the mere fact that this is a straddle pot potentially opens everyone's range a little so the effect is the same regardless of the reasoning. This guy should have QQ and occasionally some other stuff plenty vs a button raise in a straddled pot.

With no reads, this is a fold. About half of 1/2 random players only do this with AA. It sucks to be in this spot in the first orbit to later find out the NASCAR guy hates money and makes this move with ATC, but it's just not worth it w/o reads IMO.

And you just can't range this by plugging in QQ+, AQ+, because the range skews so heavily to AA. If you run the numbers where half the time he has AA, the other half he has QQ-KK, AQ+, its -EV.

Sorry man this bad advice, snap call, with no reads it's a call, like someone mentioned earlier, if dude was a nit and had been folding all nite long then ok I can find a fold maybe but this is a call all nite long, sorry if he had AA but his range is bigger than just AA.

Based on the physical description I mark this player as loose passive until proven otherwise. Some of these guys will do this with JJ or AK, others it's strictly KK+.

$25 to $250 is a mammoth raise at any 1-2 table I've ever played, and the first raise of that magnitude from almost any opponent deserves more consideration than "I haz KK."

I also think the fact that it's a straddled pot means almost nothing. Most 1-2 players do not mentally double the stakes of the game and equivocate $250 on a $5 straddle with $100 in a regular hand.

The rule of thumb is that unless you know the villain only has AA, it is a call. And know means you've played for 6 hours and have never seen him raise. Not you have MUBS.

If my math is right, your example weighted range results in a call being +$17 expectation. Since we would have a net equity of 47% .47x515= 242. It's 225 to call.

folding is pretty terrible here and i'm one to advocate folding KK pre to 4bets 200+bb deep. with the straddle on, its more like 50bb effective (though villain may or may not adjust to that). if he jammed for $1000, then we can fold, but never folding here. expect to see AA a decent amount but you'll also see QQ, AK and the occasional JJ, TT often enough to call here.

$30 pre. AK you can fold. QQ is tough but leaning towards a fold. KK is a snap call here

llsnl is like the only level of poker where you can find spots to fold kings. like online any level or high stakes live poker, you never fold kings

obv this is not one of them but i just mean in general, i think youre statement is wrong.

i dont know how you put AQ in his range.

with the dead money in the pot, we need 45.7% equity against his range to breakeven. do the math and the numbers will surprise you. if we put all 6 combos of AA in his range, the last combo of KK, the last 2 combos of AKs, 1 combo of AKo and half the combos of QQ, we have 46.5% equity. add in a couple more AK and a terribly played JJ and it becomes better for us. on top of that, the fact that he shoved instead of 3betting smaller (since AA is the nuts and isnt vulnerable to overcards), this would discount AA somewhat.

we can fold QQ, AKs here, no problem, and would likely be correct to do so. but folding KK here can be a disaster. if we have reads hes a nit or extremely passive without the nuts, then yeah we can fold. otherwise, call

fwiw i dont think folding here can be a disaster

he's going to have aces a good portion of the time and we're going to get stacked. if i were to guess, id say this is like only a slightly +ev call

can't really fold here unless you have a really strong tell. There are a certain percentage of players who will only 3! pre with aces. If you know that your V is one of those players, I would fold to a shove.