Trip bankroll question:
4 full day roll of $7k, I am a decent winner at $1/2 and $2/5 although very small sample of 2/5. I've never played 5/10, but want to give it a shot.
Best plan for 4 days and only $7k? Should I just do the first 2-3k at 5-10 and drop down if I lose it? Try to win 1-2k at lower level the first day or two before even attempting a shot?

Only thing is I don't want to have less than 2k for the last day. Lol. I don't have a gambling bankroll per say, just take money from my job for trips and or home games where I live.

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Where are you going?

I'd probably sit in the 2/5 first to get a feel for the room. Keep an eye on the 5/10 tables and see how they are playing. Even ask the brush who might have some casual insight. (I've done this at Aria, but I'm a woman, which makes it easier, and I had played a lot over a few days -- plus I'm there enough that the regulars "know" me.)

Some 5/10 I'm comfortable in; some I'd never sit down at the table. Of course, ditto that with 2/5 in some rooms.

If a table seems incredibly tough, get a table change, even if it means going down in stakes. And stick to your win/loss stop plan!

Solid advice, thanks!
I'll be in Vegas first 4 days of August, so may be a little slow that time of year. Plan to move around and check out different rooms. Caesars has been my favorite mostly for the $2 comp and really like the dealers, but never see 5-10 going there.

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Hey All!

After a 3+ year complete and total hiatus from poker I am back at it as of 5/22/2019.

My question is this, should I keep separate spreadsheets for the different stakes? Or separate the numbers somehow? I have a spreadsheet where I am tracking date, location, stakes, buyin, cashout, hours played, total profit, total hourly rate. I am playing two different stakes, but mainly only playing 1/2 while waiting for a seat on 1/3 or waiting for the game to run. Everything is on one sheet right now. I don't think I'll have a ton of volume this year since I am working as well, maybe I can hit 300-500 hours after a year if I push hard. So is there any point to split them up?

Thanks for any replies!

THJ - I personally am kind of anal when it comes to tracking results and like to know exactly how I am doing at every steak so I would keep track of each seperate - its ez to combine to get total results and it is fun to know (imo) how I am doing at diff levels of play

I consider 1/2 and 1/3 as the same stakes, but that's me. I just don't see much difference.

If you have 2/5, 5/10 or PLO, etc., I'd keep a running total and separate stats -- at least that's what I do. Simple copy/paste for me once everything is set up.

Jav - I understand your point but they are not the same. He sits at 1/2 while waiting to get called for 1/3. Many players when they are waiting for their "regular" game do a lot of very silly stuff at the lower stake. By combining these he will not actually see how he is doing at 1/2. And like I said I am a bit anal.

Obviously do whatever you want to get whatever you want to accomplish out of it, but seems like a no-brainer to separate by steaks (that can always be easily combined later for full results).

Ggoodluck!G

Is it normal for your average losing session to be a significantly bigger loss than an average winning session? I am fairly new to casino poker and have been seriously tracking my results this year. So far I’ve played 58 sessions covering 453 hours. My 17 losing sessions averaged a loss of $450 while my winning sessions averaged a win of $335. Is this normal, just a small sample size occurrence or should I be looking for a flaw in my game that caused this? I am a fairly tight player and in looking back I have often suffered big losses when I have a good hand that calls off better.

Thanks for any advice you can give me.

Welcome to the forum. I moved your post into our omnibus thread on such things. Right now your stats don't suggest much to me, except that you might be chasing losses when down, but that's just a guess.

That said, if you come from an online background, you might be calling river bets too light for live. Most live Vs are pretty passive OTR, so you should rarely be calling river raise without the near nuts, and should limit your river calls to bluff catching. Vs are rarely betting river for thin value, so unless you think they are bluffing or that your holding can beat what they think of as fat value, just fold river.

Wow, I didn't realize there were casinos with 1/2 and 1/3. I don't play those stakes often in casinos, though (usually PLO or 2/5). My "home" game has 1/2 some nights and 1/3 other nights.

I don't see the need to have separate files for this. You already have stakes as a column in your sheet. With a few google searches you can add a few more columns if you want to see hourly rates for each individual stake as well as overall hourly rate. I think this effort is far less than maintaining two separate files and then combining them or whatever if you want totals.

No, this is not normal. It should be the other way around. Possibly you are playing too many big pots with medium holdings. Make sure you are controlling pot size the best you can, big hands=big pots, top pair hands=smaller/medium size pots.

Do you use a stop win? Are you more likely to try to get even when down or happy to leave early as a small winner?

Tight players very often cant get themselves to fold a premium hand when its obvious they are beat. They wait and wait for those premiums and "expect" to win when they finally get them. My advice is work on that leak.

I don't think it's fair to say it's not normal without first getting more information. Mainly, what's your session exit criteria? If it's a fixed time window then perhaps there is an issue but I could imagine several scenarios where you may leave a session after doubling up more often than leaving a session after loosing the first buy in. In this case you could be capping your winning sessions a bit while letting your losing sessions run longer trying to get "unstuck". Your game play could also change when you are up or when you are down. Only you have all the information to know what's going on here but it's worth looking into and understanding. I wouldn't be overly concerned though with that small sample size.

It seems pretty obvious, but it’s a lot easier to win $ when you’re having a good session with a winning image then when you aren’t. Extending winning sessions makes more sense than extending losing sessions imo. You just have to be mindful not to give it back when things are going well.

FWIW, these are my top 25 wins and losses. You can see that my winning sessions are much bigger than my losing sessions. I should add that I play with a $2500 stop loss in most games, and I try to be aggressive about quitting games when I start to tilt.

If you remember, what was the most you were ever stuck during your 25 3/4 hr session?

I have spreadsheets for both.

I fill out a main spreadsheet that has every stake and every tournament on it. That filters to a cash tab and tournament tab. The cash tab filers to each stake

300-500 hours is a pretty good clip imo. I barely get past 300 now a days with wife/kids/FT job

That is actually misleading; that is 5-6 sessions that were recorded late, and I smooshed them all together into one session.

Hi everyone,

I'm hoping to get some estimates on Winrates for LLSNL **BY POSITION**

reason for this is to help me estimate what percentage/range of hands I'll need to be playing from each position to achieve those winrates.

I've been seeing some data online about this for 6Max online since those numbers can be easily tracked and compiled for online play, but I was hoping to get estimates for LLSNL play as well as for seats UTG, UTG+1, and UTG+2

Thank you!!!

my initial guesses.... in BB/100

(SB (-20), BB (-40), UTG??, UTG+1??, UTG+2??, MP(+15), HJ(+20), CO(+25), BU(+30))

without those first three positions, this estimate achieves ~3BB/100 which is low, but we probably make a little more from early position, please share your thoughts on how the winrates are distributed *BY POSITION*

Good luck with your request. But it's probably a 100% useless endeavor. Most people don't have a large enough sample to determine their win rate with reasonable confidence. Let alone by position which on average would take a sample that is 9x larger.

It won't help you. You can't use estimated win rates in order to come out with a range from each position. Try to find some proper ranges for each.

As for your question, it's around 40BB/100 from the B, 35BB the CO, around 25BB from MP, 20BB/100 from EP and -25BB/100 from the BB and -5BB from the SB. That's for an aroiund 20BB/100 overall win rate which translated to 6BB/hr win rate. Adjust upwards for higher rates, downwards for lower rates.

I'd estimate that there are only a few of us around here with even the hours needed to come close to that kind of data, but NOONE is recording hand by hand results. So the data you're looking for just does not exist in a live context.

The closest thing you could look at is: https://www.amazon.com/Statistics-Po.../dp/1489505954. It's online data, but it's small enough stakes that it is at least be illuminating for LLSNL.