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Old 03-16-2019, 01:08 PM   #23301
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Re: What bankroll do I need to go pro 1$/3$?

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So regarding the living expenses. I'm saving "living expenses" money + poker bankroll.
The reason I'm confident I can beat 1/3 (not dollars btw, euros, my bad), is that I beat almost any home game I go to where I live. Every time I visit Europe on holiday I play poker and win money at the local casinos. A month ago I had 6 sessions in Barcelona, profiting on 5 of them, broke even once (1 short session in London, profitable as well).
So what if you won 5/6 sessions? That's an irrelevant sample size. It is troublesome that you think this is even worth mentioning. How many hours have you tracked and what were your results?

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I plan on playing 6 hours sessions 5-6 days a week. Which means 130~ hours a month.

So to break even monthly I need to make 9-10 euros an hour, which is 3-4BB/hour winrate, seems doable to me.
It's very doable, but you haven't proven you can make that much. Also, if you only make enough to pay you bills and don't grow your bankroll you are mathematically guaranteed to go broke eventually although in practice you might be lucky enough for it to never happen in your lifetime. You need to make enough money to grow your bankroll.

Also, 130 hours is not enough. Early on you need to be working hard to move up in stakes and achieve financial security. I know starting business owners who work 80 hours a week. I'm not saying you need to work THAT much, but you should think of playing poker like a business and work hard to make sure you succeed.

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I was thinking on saving 50buy ins + living expenses but that would take me about a year to make. Maybe I'm saving too much? what's a decent number of starting buy ins?
It depends on your expenses, win-rate and variance in the games you're playing. You don't need to separate your bankroll and living expenses. You have one source of money that you use for poker and pay all of you bills. You factor this into your RoR calc by subtracting your expenses from your monthly win-rate.
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Old 03-16-2019, 02:30 PM   #23302
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***

And then merged into our bankrolls thread. General rule of thumb for live is 20BIs plus six months living expenses. Will you be a foreigner in Spain? If so, add a "what if I get mugged leaving the casino" buffer on to that, as I have heard that foreigners seen to win have a high chance of that in Barcelona.
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Old 03-17-2019, 01:04 PM   #23303
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Re: What bankroll do I need to go pro 1$/3$?

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So what if you won 5/6 sessions? That's an irrelevant sample size. It is troublesome that you think this is even worth mentioning. How many hours have you tracked and what were your results?



It's very doable, but you haven't proven you can make that much. Also, if you only make enough to pay you bills and don't grow your bankroll you are mathematically guaranteed to go broke eventually although in practice you might be lucky enough for it to never happen in your lifetime. You need to make enough money to grow your bankroll.

Also, 130 hours is not enough. Early on you need to be working hard to move up in stakes and achieve financial security. I know starting business owners who work 80 hours a week. I'm not saying you need to work THAT much, but you should think of playing poker like a business and work hard to make sure you succeed.



It depends on your expenses, win-rate and variance in the games you're playing. You don't need to separate your bankroll and living expenses. You have one source of money that you use for poker and pay all of you bills. You factor this into your RoR calc by subtracting your expenses from your monthly win-rate.
Thank you for the constructive feedback.

It's not just the 5 sessions, I have a near 1 year log of weekly home games with my friends which I crush. But enough of that.

I'll deffinetly reconsider my session lengths.

About getting mugged, I have heard of that but I guess I was lucky enough to never get mugged there. If anyone here is from Barcelona I'd love to hear some tips to stay safe on that regard.

Sorry my sample size is relatively small. I live in Israel, I don't have casinos to go grind, so it's all home games.
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Old 03-17-2019, 06:40 PM   #23304
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So about a month ago I've made a decision to chase my dream and become a poker pro.



This requires a relocation since there's not casinos where I live.



The plan is to move to Barcelona for 3-4 months and grind 1$/3$ (it's their smallest game) and move up from there, if i'm profitable.



I'm very confident in my skills and I believe I can beat 1/3 for a start.

What bankroll is necessary to play at those stakes? Currently waitering my way to a decent bankroll.



Any insights or comments are welcome!
I went pro roughly 18 months ago with 10k bankroll and 20k life roll but this was in Tampa FL and starting in 1/2 games. Playing 5/T now.

Anyway...bankroll requirements depend on your winrate and risk tolerance. If playing with a small roll will stress you out and cause suboptimal play, which it probably will, you need a larger roll. If busting will cause major problems like, say, homelessness, compared to say having to work part time, you need a larger roll.

A few basic guidelines, assuming you win at 10BB/HR which is a huge assumption but generally where you need to be to start moving up in stakes

1) 15BI minimum bankroll, 20+BI recommended. If you buy in 300 this means 4500 / 6000, if you buy in 600 this means 9000 / 12000, etc. You could play with less but I would strongly caution against it. I've experienced 2000+BB downswings twice and a 3000BB downswing once since I started and I'm winning over 10BB/HR in every game I play.

2) Don't tilt, ever. Easier said than done of course and for many people this is impossible, but you can figure out the signs for when you're tilted and leave the game. Tilt removes your edge or worse you start punting stacks. One punted stack (say 600) is 20 hours of solid work down the drain, and if you're truly tilted you can punt off weeks of work. Don't respond to needling comments, don't educate the fish, generally don't talk about poker period regardless of how good or horrible some line is. Your goal for mental game is to get where you can get it in with the nuts, lose your stack to a 1 outer, laugh and fist bump the guy who stacked you.

3) Consider taking shots at 2/5 when you have 10BI for 2/5 AND have established you're crushing 1/3. If you get above 15BI, stay at 2/5. If you drop below 10, go back to 1/3. You need to get out of rake trap games ASAP. The rake at 1/2 and 1/3 is usually horrendous but I have no clue what it is in Barcelona.

4) Have a separate life roll of one year's cost of living + emergency expenses. Personally I'd have been wiped out by a concurrent downswing and hospital stay if I didn't have a life roll. How much you need in Barcelona I have no idea, but I imagine cost of living is quite high. Making it grinding 1/3 will be difficult even if you're crushing it. You'll want to move up in stakes before your life roll runs out if possible. Otherwise it will be very hard to build a roll and meet expenses simultaneously.

These are just my personal recommendations from someone who's gone pro under similar circumstances.

Good luck to you.

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Old 03-19-2019, 03:11 PM   #23305
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I played in Barcelona for a weekend last month.

In order to not get robbed you either leave your money on deposit (I am assuming they, like every other casino, offer this but I did not partake) or you simply get a cab from one of the two cab ranks outside the casino.

That said, the games in Barcelona were way below my expectations and the room is terribly run. Actually its run ok, but there just aren't enough tables and dealers for demand. The 1/3 games were nitty and not helped by the fact that they only had 2-3 tables running at a maximum even though there was a waitlist 40 people deep. This was on a completely normal weekend without any tournament series being in town. The staff would open 2/5 or 5/T games instead. This predictably means that the solid grinders stay alive and wait around for a seat (for hours) whereas the fish that did put their name down on the list have either gone home, gone drinking or already lost their money in other casino games by the time their name gets called. Also, they have this European trend of ending the games at certain times (4:30am) even if there are people around wanting to continue to play. This limits the time you can put in. And on another note, I was angle shot/slowrolled more in the weekend I was in Barcelona than I have been in the last 2 years in my regular games.

None of the above is bitterness. I won money the weekend I was there but also recognise that I had an above average card distribution and that was the reason why.
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Old 03-19-2019, 05:56 PM   #23306
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I went pro roughly 18 months ago with 10k bankroll and 20k life roll but this was in Tampa FL and starting in 1/2 games. Playing 5/T now.

Anyway...bankroll requirements depend on your winrate and risk tolerance. If playing with a small roll will stress you out and cause suboptimal play, which it probably will, you need a larger roll. If busting will cause major problems like, say, homelessness, compared to say having to work part time, you need a larger roll.

A few basic guidelines, assuming you win at 10BB/HR which is a huge assumption but generally where you need to be to start moving up in stakes

1) 15BI minimum bankroll, 20+BI recommended. If you buy in 300 this means 4500 / 6000, if you buy in 600 this means 9000 / 12000, etc. You could play with less but I would strongly caution against it. I've experienced 2000+BB downswings twice and a 3000BB downswing once since I started and I'm winning over 10BB/HR in every game I play.

2) Don't tilt, ever. Easier said than done of course and for many people this is impossible, but you can figure out the signs for when you're tilted and leave the game. Tilt removes your edge or worse you start punting stacks. One punted stack (say 600) is 20 hours of solid work down the drain, and if you're truly tilted you can punt off weeks of work. Don't respond to needling comments, don't educate the fish, generally don't talk about poker period regardless of how good or horrible some line is. Your goal for mental game is to get where you can get it in with the nuts, lose your stack to a 1 outer, laugh and fist bump the guy who stacked you.

3) Consider taking shots at 2/5 when you have 10BI for 2/5 AND have established you're crushing 1/3. If you get above 15BI, stay at 2/5. If you drop below 10, go back to 1/3. You need to get out of rake trap games ASAP. The rake at 1/2 and 1/3 is usually horrendous but I have no clue what it is in Barcelona.

4) Have a separate life roll of one year's cost of living + emergency expenses. Personally I'd have been wiped out by a concurrent downswing and hospital stay if I didn't have a life roll. How much you need in Barcelona I have no idea, but I imagine cost of living is quite high. Making it grinding 1/3 will be difficult even if you're crushing it. You'll want to move up in stakes before your life roll runs out if possible. Otherwise it will be very hard to build a roll and meet expenses simultaneously.

These are just my personal recommendations from someone who's gone pro under similar circumstances.

Good luck to you.
At what levels were the (2)2000 bb and 3000 bb downswing?
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Old 03-20-2019, 02:06 AM   #23307
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Wondering how some of you rationalize your bankrolls. I normally treat every session as having some set amount of "buyins" to play with. Whether a buyin means 20BB or 200BB. I do this to manipulate my actual bankroll to help me decide what games to play in. Do I want 40 buyins half stacked? 20 buyins full stacked? 10 buyins deep stacked?

To split my roll across the games I want to play I sometimes just look at the total BB's I have for a given limit. So for instance i have 500BB's for NL200. This gives me either 10 shots playing half stacked or 5 shots playing full stacked. I'm not entirely sure this is the best way to approach things, it's just something I derived so that if my roll takes a hit I can adjust my max buyin for whatever limit I'm at. If I want to always feel safe knowing I have 10 buyins in the bank then I can simply buyin for less if I lose, and continue buying in shorter and shorter so that I always have 10 bullets.

Any thoughts on this approach? Or should i just consider a buyin to always equal 100BB's and then make sure I have enough buyins to play competently without playing scared money.
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Old 03-20-2019, 02:57 AM   #23308
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There's actually a whole thread for this stuff, so I'd look up the official bankrolls, winrates, and finances thread.

Overall, you want to look at BB, but there are some caveats. Playing short stack increases variance. It just seems like it doesn't because things happen in smaller increments, but you're basically always playing for your stack usually before the final card, and the decrease in FE means you're not really pulling many post flop bluffs or getting implied odds on draws. Furthermore, since rake eats away at a larger portion in smaller pots, you're kinda taking a decent WR hit by short stacking. Conversely, when playing deep, you can take advantage of implied odds more, you can bluff, and of course, you can lose more when you run like crap. So overall, it does take a bigger BR to play deeper, but not necessarily twice as much. If your threshold is 10 BI, then treat 1,000 bigs as what you want for buying in short and medium. If you're buying in deep, you might feel better with 1,500 bb. It sounds like you have a job though, so I think you can take some liberties and play with even less. If you don't have a job, then don't play poker at all with such a small BR.
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Old 03-20-2019, 09:23 AM   #23309
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At what levels were the (2)2000 bb and 3000 bb downswing?
One ~2000BB downswing at 1/2, one ~2000BB and one ~3000BB downswing at 2/5

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Don't buy in short. I understand the urge when "shot taking" as you have more "bullets" but your edge with said bullets is much smaller. This especially applies in higher stakes games since stacks are typically deeper and pots go less multiway, amplifying one's edge.

If you have no edge this advice doesn't apply obviously.
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Old 03-20-2019, 12:08 PM   #23310
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I'm on an insane 2/5 heater! $96/hr. over 107 hours. Even fish can win big. The game is alive and well.



PS: I fully expect this winrate to drop over the next few months.
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Old 03-20-2019, 01:07 PM   #23311
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For someone considering moving from online 20nl to $1/$2 live that doesn't have a 30 buy in bankroll for it but has income from a job is there a lower minimum suggestion?

I'd hate to put a 5 buy in roll aside and go lose 3 of it in my first night or something like that. That can happen even playing as perfect as possible poker as we all know running in to coolers, second best hands, hidden monsters by some maniac playing 84s etc.

How do players start out when it is a part time thing and have a full time income source?
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Old 03-20-2019, 01:29 PM   #23312
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For someone considering moving from online 20nl to $1/$2 live that doesn't have a 30 buy in bankroll for it but has income from a job is there a lower minimum suggestion?



I'd hate to put a 5 buy in roll aside and go lose 3 of it in my first night or something like that. That can happen even playing as perfect as possible poker as we all know running in to coolers, second best hands, hidden monsters by some maniac playing 84s etc.



How do players start out when it is a part time thing and have a full time income source?


Iím in a similar spot. My plan is to take 3bi shots as needed, any winnings going to stash and any losses I must save up another full 3bi (or just take from life roll immediately depending). Once I run up to 10 bis total I go from there and just start playing more and more hours. If run down to about 3 bi, rinse and repeat.

So far I havenít acted on my plan, but I have it all written down
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Old 03-20-2019, 01:32 PM   #23313
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For someone considering moving from online 20nl to $1/$2 live that doesn't have a 30 buy in bankroll for it but has income from a job is there a lower minimum suggestion?

I'd hate to put a 5 buy in roll aside and go lose 3 of it in my first night or something like that. That can happen even playing as perfect as possible poker as we all know running in to coolers, second best hands, hidden monsters by some maniac playing 84s etc.

How do players start out when it is a part time thing and have a full time income source?
If you're just playing live part time, shot taking 1/2 and have separate income I wouldn't worry about having a full time pro bankroll. Unless you're planning on quitting your job just play with that 5 BI roll you mention in your post and see if you can build it. If not, go back to online, study and return to 1/2 live when you have a few more BI available to shot take IMO.
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Old 03-20-2019, 01:38 PM   #23314
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Iím in a similar spot. My plan is to take 3bi shots as needed, any winnings going to stash and any losses I must save up another full 3bi (or just take from life roll immediately depending). Once I run up to 10 bis total I go from there and just start playing more and more hours. If run down to about 3 bi, rinse and repeat.

So far I havenít acted on my plan, but I have it all written down
I like that plan. I just worry I'll play too nitty with only 3 buy ins in my roll. $1/$2 gets pretty scary going to the turn with TPTK and 4 people in the hand still with an SPR of 1. lol. I really want to be prepared for variance. Thats the biggest con I see in the strategy.

The biggest pro I see is as much as it sucks to lose $600 that is probably, well it is worst case scenario. You start running bad or are card dead for hours, get coolered, etc. you can get up and replenish what you lost and rebuild to 3 buy ins fairly easily (hopefully). And as you said rinse and repeat.

I think that strategy needs one more element though. Assuming a winning session at what point do you get up?

With a 3 buy in roll you always have at least 1/3rd your BR at risk on the table. You go on a heater and say triple up you now have 60% of your BR at risk. Your stop loss can be zero but were do you call it when you are winning in a session?
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Old 03-20-2019, 01:46 PM   #23315
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Fair points, I think mentally while trying to build a roll we have to block all that thinking though. Get to the poker room and play poker like we know how, how ever that is. Theyíre only chips until you convert them to dollars. Having the 3 bi stop loss just insures that we can make another trip soon without breaking the bank. Personally Iím not having a stop win. If I run up 10 bis in one game and get stacked after getting money in good or running into a cooler thatís ok thatís poker. See ya next week with my next bullet.

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Edit to add - another ďruleĒ of mine I wrote down is to have a time limit and stick to it (unless game is terrible or amazing), so my shots Iíd like to be between 6-8 hours, no more no less.
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Old 03-20-2019, 02:07 PM   #23316
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I like that plan. I just worry I'll play too nitty with only 3 buy ins in my roll. $1/$2 gets pretty scary going to the turn with TPTK and 4 people in the hand still with an SPR of 1. lol. I really want to be prepared for variance. Thats the biggest con I see in the strategy.

The biggest pro I see is as much as it sucks to lose $600 that is probably, well it is worst case scenario. You start running bad or are card dead for hours, get coolered, etc. you can get up and replenish what you lost and rebuild to 3 buy ins fairly easily (hopefully). And as you said rinse and repeat.

I think that strategy needs one more element though. Assuming a winning session at what point do you get up?

With a 3 buy in roll you always have at least 1/3rd your BR at risk on the table. You go on a heater and say triple up you now have 60% of your BR at risk. Your stop loss can be zero but were do you call it when you are winning in a session?
So long as you have a full time job and are easily paying the bills, then I wouldn't be *too* concerned about your 1/2 BR as it should be pretty easy to replenish if you go poker busto.

Having said that, if you are still concerned, especially when starting out with your lowest BR, especially when tripling up and having a huge percentage of your BR on the table, try moving to a smaller table (where every one is sitting with just 1 BI) or simply cash out and buy in for the 1 BI after your room's allotted time (although be careful about getting a rep for doing this as it'll be frowned upon). This is also especially true if you're not comfortable with deepstack (where on a limited BR you should probably never play deep).

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Old 03-20-2019, 02:17 PM   #23317
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yeah, I guess if it isn't about bankroll management and more about trying to play more poker and make it a source of part time income I'm over thinking it.
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yeah, I guess if it isn't about bankroll management and more about trying to play more poker and make it a source of part time income I'm over thinking it.


I like where your heading though, itís where Iíd like to be. I kinda have a ďplanĒ consisting of the shot taking above, (I played thousands of hours in past up to 5/10 under rolled so we may have different backgrounds) then once around 15 bis plus 2 months living plus keeping job but cutting down hours to play more poker, basically a ďsemi proĒ status 20 hrs a week. And build that to 30 bis and a year living expense before Iíd even think about ďproĒ status, and would want a passive income besides poker also.

My bi = 500 btw Iím skipping 1/2 hopefully, this is all talk though from me until I make it happen. Getting it out here helps though so hopefully it helps someone else as well.
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Old 03-20-2019, 02:55 PM   #23319
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Getting it out here helps though so hopefully it helps someone else as well.
Yeah. The planning stage for some people lasts until their funeral. Just got to plan it out then pick a day to get in to the car and drive to the casino or card room.

I work a lot of hours, not insane but have 2 12 hour days, 3 8 hour days and Saturdays are mandatory. If I can build a BR that has 30 buy ins and 3 months of living expenses I will probably give my job the option to keep me at shorter hours or let them replace me which I would complete understand if they felt they had to. Then I'd find a part time zero ag job (cashier at Petco or something) and play poker 30+ hours a week.

Final goal is to be able to play full time and use some of that money to generate it's own income. No plans for that yet. Hopefully I have to figure that part of it out one day.

That's the idea in my head. I make pretty good money now and could stash away in my 401k and all that but I'll never be able to have that freedom of being on my own schedule. I would love to do what most pros have and have that one big WSOP or One Drop win but if I can be my own man and not have to be somewhere at 9am because someone told me I had to I'll be happy.
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One thing to think of before you drop out of the work force. Do you plan to have a family some day? I use to plan on going pro at poker and am super thankful I never gave up work to try it.

Having a family and being responsible for raising a child, I'm not sure I'd be able to keep my sanity if I were playing 2/5 full time to feed my kid.

Also don't just think "oh I have a business degree I can take 5 years off and find a job.". Sure you might be able to find a job, but as someone who hires people I always want an explanation for any 6+ month gaps in a resume. And I'll probably be the most understanding interviewer you'll get if you say "poker pro" yet even I would need you to knock my socks off for me to take a shot at you.

I'm not saying don't go for it. Just make sure you look 10 years down the road.

Right now I'm working and planning on using poker as additional income so that maybe I can "retire" or go part time 5 years earlier than originally planned.
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^ yeah thatís where Iím at at this point. I do have a family, twin daughters and a fiancť, is for sure want to keep a good job with benefits until I have a passive income that covers the monthly expenses and contributes to savings and college and weddings Iíll one day have to probably at least help pay for.

I want all that and then poker to unwind and hopefully run over expectation and make some extra money. Ah the dream.
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Old 03-20-2019, 08:42 PM   #23322
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I like that plan. I just worry I'll play too nitty with only 3 buy ins in my roll. $1/$2 gets pretty scary going to the turn with TPTK and 4 people in the hand still with an SPR of 1. lol. I really want to be prepared for variance. Thats the biggest con I see in the strategy.

The biggest pro I see is as much as it sucks to lose $600 that is probably, well it is worst case scenario. You start running bad or are card dead for hours, get coolered, etc. you can get up and replenish what you lost and rebuild to 3 buy ins fairly easily (hopefully). And as you said rinse and repeat.

I think that strategy needs one more element though. Assuming a winning session at what point do you get up?

With a 3 buy in roll you always have at least 1/3rd your BR at risk on the table. You go on a heater and say triple up you now have 60% of your BR at risk. Your stop loss can be zero but were do you call it when you are winning in a session?
If you have a source of income paying all of your bills then bankroll management is not necessary at all. The minimum you need to play is one buy-in. Personally I'd bring at least three because it would suck to come to the casino, lose and have to go home in ten minutes. Also, it's nice to have top-off money. If you think you would not be comfortable playing on three buy-ins then save up more, but it would be better to realize that it's unnecessary.

Stop losses/stop wins are a measure for tilt-prone people to make sure they quit when they aren't on there A-game. I do not use either one, but I will leave when I'm exceptionally tired/bored/tilted, the game isn't good anymore or I have other obligations. You don't need stop losses or stop wins if you are capable of assessing your mental state and proceeding accordingly. Definitely get up if it makes you uncomfortable to have 60% of your roll on the table, but again, you don't need bankroll management until you have an established roll that you would not like to lose.
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Old 03-21-2019, 01:27 AM   #23323
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Personally I'd bring at least three because it would suck to come to the casino, lose and have to go home in ten minutes.
You know what else sucks? Coming to the casino, feeling like you just punted over half your roll in a couple of hours, then going on monkey tilt and donating the rest. This is where I struggle. This is why whatever my bankroll is I feel I must divide it into a certain amount of buyins so that I can effectively fire off a few bullets without it getting to me, even if those bullets are small caliber short stack shots that will happen more frequently. Granted, if you have good emotional control then losing 80% of your "bankroll" that you brought with you wont have any impact whatsoever and you'll continue with your last bullet strong and confidently. If however you know that this can cause any sort of tilt issues whatsoever, I highly recommend you increase your usable bankroll by either splitting it smaller or saving up more.
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You know what else sucks? Coming to the casino, feeling like you just punted over half your roll in a couple of hours, then going on monkey tilt and donating the rest. This is where I struggle. This is why whatever my bankroll is I feel I must divide it into a certain amount of buyins so that I can effectively fire off a few bullets without it getting to me, even if those bullets are small caliber short stack shots that will happen more frequently. Granted, if you have good emotional control then losing 80% of your "bankroll" that you brought with you wont have any impact whatsoever and you'll continue with your last bullet strong and confidently. If however you know that this can cause any sort of tilt issues whatsoever, I highly recommend you increase your usable bankroll by either splitting it smaller or saving up more.
I get kind of tilted if I don't have enough money to top up to the max BI so I bring like 3 or 4 full buyins and leave if I have less than a full buyin left. This is in 5/T+ games in smaller games I just bring a bunch of BI because I'm not particularly worried about tilting off stacks and I like feeling like I have infinite rebuys--helps me shrug it off when I get stacked.

And...I don't think you really *need* a bankroll if you have a job that can resupply it but I guess bring whatever amount won't lead to you punting. 3 to 5 full buyins is good for most games.
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I get kind of tilted if I don't have enough money to top up to the max BI so I bring like 3 or 4 full buyins and leave if I have less than a full buyin left.
Same here.

I always buy 3x Max from the cage and pull chips out of my pocket every time I'm $25 or more below Max buy in. I play 1/3 and 2 / 5.

Last thing I want is to be in a situation where I'm not covering the players I think I have a significant edge over.

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