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Old 07-11-2018, 04:54 PM   #21876
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Customer service for poker income is non existant...avoid.

I personally switched to poker agent from income...much better experience.
What customer service do you need? It's a simple, yet complete live poker tracking app. Only potential problem is if it becomes incompatible with some future ios version. I do think when that came up however, they fixed it.

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Old 07-11-2018, 05:11 PM   #21877
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What customer service do you need? It's a simple, yet complete live poker tracking app. Only potential problem is if it becomes incompatible with some future ios version. I do think when that came up however, they fixed it.
I was thinking the same. With 4 years of the old app I never needed customer service. Just wanted standard deviation and export features. Graphs are a bonus.
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Old 07-11-2018, 05:12 PM   #21878
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previous iOS updates have broken it and it took the dev much longer than reasonable to fix it. i also donít know if itís been updated for iPhone X screen and if not, that will just get worse if and when new iPhones with a different screen size come out. not to mention all the simple features/tweaks it *could* have with caring devs.

that being said, the only alternative is a subscription model like Poker Analytics because apps donít sell for enough money to indefinitely support them.

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Old 07-11-2018, 05:23 PM   #21879
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Kato, I use Poker Bankroll Tracker. The user interface looks good, it offers cloud backup, and the support was good when I was trying to import data from other sources. They're in Europe but they responded to me within 24 hours.

The data filtering is not very intuitive which is a pain IMO. I've managed to stumble through it but there are some reports I can't seem to figure out. Also, it does not offer StDev calculations but IDGAF about it so YMMV.
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Old 07-11-2018, 07:44 PM   #21880
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I'll allow it. Tracking software is directly related to Finances, imo
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Old 07-11-2018, 08:50 PM   #21881
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Thanks for the feedback. I'm considering using Poker Income, Poker Bankroll Tracker, and Poker Ledger all at the same time for a month or so then decide which one to stick with long term.
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:19 PM   #21882
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Thanks for the feedback. I'm considering using Poker Income, Poker Bankroll Tracker, and Poker Ledger all at the same time for a month or so then decide which one to stick with long term.
Ive never tried those but RunGood works really well.
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:32 PM   #21883
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Ive never tried those but RunGood works really well.
Thanks for the suggestion but looks like that one is iOS only
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:53 PM   #21884
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*** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***

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The Standard Dev calc being incorrect is concerning. Are you sure? Hopefully they can fix this. At any rate, I'm using Poker Mate and it has no export so I have no choice but to enter manually into Poker Income. I made sure to chose an app that has export for the future for this reason. Also, any missing stats I can export to excel and do myself.


Jfc, please don't enter all your data manually through the app.

Enter 1 data point, export it to excel, then enter all your data into excel in the format they want using a keyboard and keeping your sanity, then import it back to the app.

For the record, Ive used RunGood for 3 years and I'm happy with it
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:58 AM   #21885
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Kato, I use Poker Bankroll Tracker. The user interface looks good, it offers cloud backup, and the support was good when I was trying to import data from other sources. They're in Europe but they responded to me within 24 hours.

The data filtering is not very intuitive which is a pain IMO. I've managed to stumble through it but there are some reports I can't seem to figure out. Also, it does not offer StDev calculations but IDGAF about it so YMMV.
Poker Bankroll Tracker does have a variance tab in the pro version that has a BB/100 SD calculation, a 5% risk of ruin calculation, couple other minor things, and a graph. It's pretty basic and not well documented though.

Like I'm not even sure what the graph shows. Theres a green line, a blue line, and a red line. They plot winnings over projected 10k hands. From context I think the blue line is based on your results, the green line is a projection of your best case scenario for the next 10k hands, and the red line is a projection of your worst case scenario for next 10k hands. Really though there is no "best case" or "worst case" so I don't know what these numbers mean. Theoretically we could run God mode for 10k hands or we could go on a 10k hand downswing. My guess is the best and worst cases are for some number of standard deviations but I'm not sure how many.

Maybe I'll ask the developers. They were quick in responding to my last request which was to add in a Mississippi Straddle option in the "player notes and stats" section. I got a response within a day saying they would work on implementing that.

I think the notes and stats could be extremely useful as it calculates all the stuff online HUDs do. Of course you have to be constantly entering the action of each hand (just check/bet/raise/fold) but it's really not that hard. Only reason I haven't used it much is because you can't track hands with a straddle unless it's UTG and where I play theres a lot more button and cutoff straddling. Some games nearly every hand is straddled.

Overall I think it's a great app and worth the 10 dollars a year or whatever it is.
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:58 AM   #21886
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Poker Bankroll Tracker does have a variance tab in the pro version that has a BB/100 SD calculation, a 5% risk of ruin calculation, couple other minor things, and a graph. It's pretty basic and not well documented though.

Like I'm not even sure what the graph shows. Theres a green line, a blue line, and a red line. They plot winnings over projected 10k hands. From context I think the blue line is based on your results, the green line is a projection of your best case scenario for the next 10k hands, and the red line is a projection of your worst case scenario for next 10k hands. Really though there is no "best case" or "worst case" so I don't know what these numbers mean. Theoretically we could run God mode for 10k hands or we could go on a 10k hand downswing. My guess is the best and worst cases are for some number of standard deviations but I'm not sure how many.

Maybe I'll ask the developers. They were quick in responding to my last request which was to add in a Mississippi Straddle option in the "player notes and stats" section. I got a response within a day saying they would work on implementing that.

I think the notes and stats could be extremely useful as it calculates all the stuff online HUDs do. Of course you have to be constantly entering the action of each hand (just check/bet/raise/fold) but it's really not that hard. Only reason I haven't used it much is because you can't track hands with a straddle unless it's UTG and where I play theres a lot more button and cutoff straddling. Some games nearly every hand is straddled.

Overall I think it's a great app and worth the 10 dollars a year or whatever it is.


is Filavision the correct dev for this? just making sure iOS version isnít clickbait.

screenshots look a lot better than PokerIncome, thatís for sure
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:06 AM   #21887
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Just based on the fact that the Poker Bankroll Tracker devs are helpful and responsive makes me want to support them. As a developer myself I have no problem paying for a good app, especially a good Android app.

There are far too few good Android apps because in general Android users don't pay for appsz which obviously makes it an unprofitable venture to develop for Android.
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:13 AM   #21888
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Question for the field on hours necessary as a rec/reg to maintain your win rate. I normally play 1-2 sessions a week, ~ 2.5-5 hrs per session averaging right at 3.16 hrs per session. I’m at 10.1 bb’s / hr over 1,500 hrs at $1/2 - $2/5. I find when i’m Less than ~5 hrs a week for 4 or 5 weeks in a row my win rate drops. Does anyone have insight or data on their win rate vs. hrs playing per week or month? What do personally think are the minimum hours necessary to stay on your A game. Thanks.
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:19 AM   #21889
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Homer - yes Filavision is the developer for Poker Bankroll Tracker.
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:35 AM   #21890
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Old 07-12-2018, 02:14 PM   #21891
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Is RunGood Lite good or should one just upgrade to RunGood? Pro's and Con's between RunGood and Poker Journal?
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Old 07-12-2018, 02:17 PM   #21892
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Question for the field on hours necessary as a rec/reg to maintain your win rate. I normally play 1-2 sessions a week, ~ 2.5-5 hrs per session averaging right at 3.16 hrs per session. Iím at 10.1 bbís / hr over 1,500 hrs at $1/2 - $2/5. I find when iím Less than ~5 hrs a week for 4 or 5 weeks in a row my win rate drops. Does anyone have insight or data on their win rate vs. hrs playing per week or month? What do personally think are the minimum hours necessary to stay on your A game. Thanks.
Don't see strong correlation in my sessions
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Old 07-12-2018, 02:18 PM   #21893
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Thanks for the feedback. I'm considering using Poker Income, Poker Bankroll Tracker, and Poker Ledger all at the same time for a month or so then decide which one to stick with long term.
Good idea, I'm going to do this too, but without Ledger as it doesn't seem available for iOS.
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Old 07-12-2018, 02:19 PM   #21894
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Jfc, please don't enter all your data manually through the app.

Enter 1 data point, export it to excel, then enter all your data into excel in the format they want using a keyboard and keeping your sanity, then import it back to the app.

For the record, Ive used RunGood for 3 years and I'm happy with it
Hadn't thought of the actual method yet, thanks tho. Hopefully I would have thought of this but you may have saved me hours...
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Old 07-12-2018, 05:56 PM   #21895
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Is RunGood Lite good or should one just upgrade to RunGood? Pro's and Con's between RunGood and Poker Journal?
RunGood lite is free but only lets you upload something like 10 sessions. Use it for free, see if you like it and then you can pay for the full version if you do. Theres no other difference. Just the limited amount of sessions.
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Old 07-12-2018, 06:43 PM   #21896
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RunGood lite is free but only lets you upload something like 10 sessions. Use it for free, see if you like it and then you can pay for the full version if you do. Theres no other difference. Just the limited amount of sessions.
The price and version history scared me away from RunGood. It looked fine, but less popular. With no updates in 2 years I worry that it may not be flawless on the latest iOS and with the latest devices and eventually will break and not be updated. Plus it's double the price so if it breaks or doesn't work with my phone I'll be pissed.
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Old 07-12-2018, 11:19 PM   #21897
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I was using Poker Income, but here are the issues I had with it

1) When I export the data to excel, it was imported in a completely random order, so I had to manually search the document by ctrlF searching for numbers that correlated to each session to re-arrange them.

2) When trying to write down my results for tax purposes at the end of year, lets say you scroll down to the bottom to get the buy in/times -- it doesnt hold your position when you go back, so you have to scroll all the way down each time

Both of these can of course be bypassed by simply writing down my results daily instead of waiting till the end of year, but I'm annoyed that I'm "forced" to do that.

My old phone actually broke, and despite having gotten a new one, I had to pay $300 to repair my old one for the sole purpose of retrieving my poker income stuff for taxes lol. Until somebody suggest a better alternative I'll prob download poker income again and just not wait till end of year to write down results

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Old 07-13-2018, 08:57 AM   #21898
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Question for the field on hours necessary as a rec/reg to maintain your win rate. I normally play 1-2 sessions a week, ~ 2.5-5 hrs per session averaging right at 3.16 hrs per session. Iím at 10.1 bbís / hr over 1,500 hrs at $1/2 - $2/5. I find when iím Less than ~5 hrs a week for 4 or 5 weeks in a row my win rate drops. Does anyone have insight or data on their win rate vs. hrs playing per week or month? What do personally think are the minimum hours necessary to stay on your A game. Thanks.
The shorter my sessions the higher my hourly due I suspect to declining concentration ability over time. After 8ish hours I notice a drop and after 10 to 12 a very noticeable drop.

You may have a different problem as you aren't playing that much. Maybe it takes you some time to get warmed up, back into the poker mindset. I've found like after I've been sick for a week and then start playing poker again I'm overly nervous the first hour or so and not on my A game.
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Old 07-13-2018, 09:04 AM   #21899
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Question for the field on hours necessary as a rec/reg to maintain your win rate. I normally play 1-2 sessions a week, ~ 2.5-5 hrs per session averaging right at 3.16 hrs per session. Iím at 10.1 bbís / hr over 1,500 hrs at $1/2 - $2/5. I find when iím Less than ~5 hrs a week for 4 or 5 weeks in a row my win rate drops. Does anyone have insight or data on their win rate vs. hrs playing per week or month? What do personally think are the minimum hours necessary to stay on your A game. Thanks.
Wp. Why tinker with what has been working over a decent sample size? If you can't make it to the card room, perhaps off-felt studying will help maintain sharpness.
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Old 07-13-2018, 09:46 AM   #21900
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I was using Poker Income, but here are the issues I had with it

1) When I export the data to excel, it was imported in a completely random order, so I had to manually search the document by ctrlF searching for numbers that correlated to each session to re-arrange them.

2) When trying to write down my results for tax purposes at the end of year, lets say you scroll down to the bottom to get the buy in/times -- it doesnt hold your position when you go back, so you have to scroll all the way down each time

Both of these can of course be bypassed by simply writing down my results daily instead of waiting till the end of year, but I'm annoyed that I'm "forced" to do that.

My old phone actually broke, and despite having gotten a new one, I had to pay $300 to repair my old one for the sole purpose of retrieving my poker income stuff for taxes lol. Until somebody suggest a better alternative I'll prob download poker income again and just not wait till end of year to write down results

Strange. I ve explorted plenty of times to excel and never had that issue. I also checked issue no 2 with cash sessions and it held the position.


Are you on android? IOS here.
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