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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

06-02-2018 , 05:05 PM


This is 1/3
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06-02-2018 , 05:06 PM


This is 1/2
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06-02-2018 , 05:07 PM


This is 1/2 and 1/3 combined
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06-02-2018 , 05:20 PM
OK, I think I see the disconnect. You have some Limit sessions in there too, don't you?
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06-02-2018 , 05:23 PM
No I never played any limit just no limit. The limit thing came up but I have never ever played limit
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06-02-2018 , 06:08 PM
OK, that makes no sense. Can you post only 1/2, and then only 1/3? We've already got the combined, but I'd like to see 1/3 by itself and I'd like to see if 1/2 looks different without those Limit levels included in the filter.
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06-02-2018 , 06:13 PM
Hi Garrick,

The one post with only 77 hours and 45 mins was exclusively 1/2 and the 356 was exclusively 1/3

Thank you
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06-02-2018 , 06:13 PM
They are above the 1/2 and 1/3 combined screenshot
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06-02-2018 , 06:30 PM
I don’t have access to upload the pics currently but here 1/2

BIG bet/hr=6.41

B.B./hr standard deviation=45.14

$/hr standard deviation=90.29

1/3=

Big bet/hr=2.33

B.B./hr standard deviation=36.73

$/hr standard deviation=110.18
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06-02-2018 , 06:52 PM
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I had a few 0.10/0.25 session in there which I played just for fun.

Here are the pics tho filtered
Not sure how I missed that and the 1/3 by itself post. Maybe I just scrolled past them without noticing. Sorry.

It makes sense now, though, and everything checks. Generally, passive play is worse the higher you go in stakes, and that seems appropriate to your diminishing results (BB/hr-wise) in 1/3. The only thing I'd add to my comments before, is that it looks like you might be completing the SB in 1/3 in limped pots. If so, stop it. If it's not worth raising, it is almost never worth overlimping in the worst position.

Also, your Big Bets label is wrong in your tracker. That is a limit term, and means 2x the Big Blind. It is almost never used any more, and almost always incorrectly (as in your tracker) when it is. What you are actually winning is just over 3 Big Blinds per hour at 1/2 and 1/3 combined.

In order to boost that winrate, post some hands in this forum, and respond to others' posts. You'll learn a ton.
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06-02-2018 , 06:54 PM
How can you tell about the SB? Bc thay can be true at times!

And thanks so much man! You really helped
Me out a ton here
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06-02-2018 , 07:37 PM
I was going to wait for 1k hours, but I've played once in the past two months and games are slowing down for the summer, so here is my graph.


It's about 850 hours of 2/5, 22 hours of 2/5/10, 45 hours of 5/10 (all NLH), and 36 hours of 5-0 PLO. A bit of 1/2 NLH, 2-2 PLO mixed in as well.
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06-02-2018 , 07:51 PM
I have Poker Income as well, it's a pretty crappy app if you ask me. But anyway, yes, it says Big Bets, but it means Big Blinds. Weird how yours doesn't round off your numbers, though. Mine doesn't use decimals, my winrates and standard deviations are always whole numbers.
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06-02-2018 , 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard32
How can you tell about the SB? Bc thay can be true at times!

And thanks so much man! You really helped
Me out a ton here
Because it is a very common leak that costs more at 1/3 than at 1/2, but doesn't tend to make the SDev go up too much with a passive playing style. Seeing a similar SDev with lower results led me to the suspicion.

Glad to help.
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06-02-2018 , 07:55 PM
Nice graph, Ranma, congrats on the results. Although I don't understand all the stats above it, most noticeably your winrate being 2.71 BB/HR, which doesn't seem to be right.
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06-02-2018 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown
Nice graph, Ranma, congrats on the results. Although I don't understand all the stats above it, most noticeably your winrate being 2.71 BB/HR, which doesn't seem to be right.
It might be something weird with 2/5/10 and 5/0 being custom blind inputs, but if I filter to just 2/5 I'm at 10.09bb/hr, 831 hours, $47,587

To be clear, I am running hot over this sample size for sure
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06-02-2018 , 10:33 PM
Nice results Ranma. Looks like you came out of that funk you were in with a nice heater.
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06-03-2018 , 04:41 AM
Haha, so since sample size comments were being brought up, I decided to dig up my NL results:

1/2:


Rest:


Anyway, I played pretty effing miserably around 2016 and reg-warred way too much and didn't work enough on my game, and I'm pretty confident there are players out there with much much higher winrates, and yet, I still have 10bb/hour, which is fairly consistent with the sample of having 22~bb/hour at 1/2.

Even though rake is harsh, there's no chance 1/2 is not much much softer than an average stake of 5/10~. Certainly, if I can get 10bb/hour at 5/10 I can get more than that at 1/2.

So here you go, a 3k hand sample demonstrating consistent edge that would allow for more than 10bb/hour at 1/2. Not sure whether you can reasonably ask for more.

Bonus giraffe:

Spoiler:

(slightly different filters, included some RoE probably whatever, also both these samples are missing a few hundred hours from when I changed my tracker)
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06-03-2018 , 04:53 AM
Goddamn 2014 was a rough year.
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06-04-2018 , 11:37 AM
Awesome results Sol!

What stakes is that bonus giraffe from? And cripes, is that a $125K downswing? How long did that last and how in the world did you deal with that mentally?

Gmonster,imoG
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06-04-2018 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I was collecting some data attempting to provide some insight as to what IO were like at my tables nowadays. Not only did I not really get the clarity on the issue I was hoping for but it's possible my whole method was flawed, but anyhoo...

I simply tracked any time someone at the table got to showdown with a set (and tabled their hand, so it does ignore times people didn't sympathy show their sets when beat on the river). I also tried to categorize whether it was purely a setming set (versus, say, a monster pair that just happened to make a set along the way).

Anyhoo, I ended up tabling 16% of the the tabled sets which I thought were more-or-less setmining cases. You're going to have to point out where I've gone wrong with the math, but all things being equal, at a 10 handed table every one should show down the same number of set-mining-set cases (i.e. 10% each). Now of course it was a lol sample size of only ~100 hours (i.e. I only tabled 4 setmining sets in this time period), and of course not everyone plays the same (interestingly enough, I actually play tighter than most as I highly doubt anyone is folding small pocket pairs in EP like I am / folding to raises with no callers / etc., so if anything you'd expect my share of tabled sets to be way lower than everyone else). But regardless, I found it interesting how I technically I got more than my fair share of action (which sorta disproves the you-don't-get-action-cuz-you're-a-nit idea).

As I say: where do you think I went wrong math wise here? I'm not a math guy, I'm open to be shown my mistake.

GcluelessmathnoobG
Seems fine. I thought you meant something else. Although the sample size is so small that you could probably come up with a very wide range of results.

Also, by post before was meant to say you could improve a lot by studying game theory. I don’t know what a good primer book would be, but Janda’s Applications was a great book for me.
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06-04-2018 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
Although the sample size is so small that you could probably come up with a very wide range of results.
Sadly this was one of my conclusions too.

GcluelessstatcollectingnoobG
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06-04-2018 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Sadly this was one of my conclusions too.

GcluelessstatcollectingnoobG
Has it occurred to you people only table the same number of sets if they call to set mine the same percentage? A nit's range is far more heavily weighted towards setmining than a TAG or LAG or LP. These other guys are calling raises with hands like Q9s, T9o, 85s, etc...they are simply not as pocket pair heavy as you. It makes sense you show up with more sets than they would. Please tell me you thought of this.
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06-05-2018 , 12:44 AM
epic results Sol

so that's 1/2 and 5/10 only?

you don't ever play 1/3 or 2/5? from my limited experience of London rooms, 2/5 seems to get up most days whereas 5/10 happens a lot more rarely?
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06-05-2018 , 04:45 AM
Thanks guys.

The first is 1/2 only, and the other is everything else, from 1/3 to 2/5 to 25/50, and includes games in USD, Euros, and HKD. The average bb, however, is about 10 GBP.


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What stakes is that bonus giraffe from? And cripes, is that a $125K downswing? How long did that last and how in the world did you deal with that mentally?
The graph is everything NL (approximately)

Yeah the downswing was pretty brutal. I sold a bunch of action during that time so it's not quite so bad, but it put me within busto range.

I was also commuting a long time and dealing with personal and relationship stuff during that time, and I think that contributed to the downswing, and they reinforced each other. Thinking back I kind of suppressed memory of that time because I kind of drew a blank about lots of specifics.

I would say that the main way it affected me outside of my play is that it made me want to grind a lot more and try make money, when reality I should have been studying the game more. I think in general people spend too much time grinding and too little time studying, and it's a hugely bad decision.

Remember, every thing you learn during your studies impact your play from this point forward, which can be thousands of hours. If I had done more studying 2000 hours ago instead of all the studying I am doing now, my winrate probably would be higher by 20-30, considering how absolutely abysmally I played then relative to now.

Spending anywhere less than 20% of your time studying is a huge leak imo.

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you don't ever play 1/3 or 2/5? from my limited experience of London rooms, 2/5 seems to get up most days whereas 5/10 happens a lot more rarely?
5/10+ used to run a lot more, and I don't play NLHE much anymore. We still have 5/10 every other night though. Anyway like I said, that sample is everything NL besides 1/2 GBP.
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