Really doesn't sound awful at all. Pretty simple...bluff every hand since no one ever pays anyone off without the nuts or second nuts

PBKC 2/5 games seem to be good year round. The 5/10 pit is reg infested and the 5/10 300 max is stupid imho.

I agree about PBKC. Its soft pretty much always. Its just a lousy drive for me...but the 5/10 $300 max isn't stupid. Its a gold mine. It sounds stupid, but its pure gold.

5/10 player pools will always be reg infested the difference in a big winner and a big loser in 5/10 is how they do against regs. Again talking about south Florida also I hate the 300 max at kennel luckily I also hate the drive.

has anyone on this forum worked with solvers? if so have you seen any significant improvements to your game (winrate/other observable edges) in live games?

If I have my win rate, my std dev, and average buy in how can I calculate a minimum BRM? I keep seeing this 20x rule but I would like a good formula to determine the lowest amount of risk while keeping the minimum amount of "relatively liquid" cash on hand.

http://pokerdope.com/poker-variance-calculator/

Useful tool, but take it with a grain of salt.

I havent worked directly with solvers but I study lines they take and they are very applicable to live if you understand what they are telling you.

For example Pio may check AJ on J47 but it always bets AJ. Everyone acts like this is common knowledge in 2017 but it was really revolutionary to see these lines from solvers when they first came out. This particular line applies greatly to live poker.

This should be the final frontier of your study though. It should go something like:

Discipline
Preflop hand selection
Discipline
Bet sizing
Bet/folding
Discipline
Line reading
Bet/folding
Bet/folding
Bet/folding
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Bet/folding
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By about the 5th bet/folding you will have reached 90% of your potential wr imo

yeah thanks for the comment.

i def understand that there are still a ton of things i can work on in my game before solvers to make me a 100x better player.

i think the sontheimer podcast on the ingram podcast was really good. and one thing he said that resonated was, he talked about GTO vs exploitative play (i hope this doesnt spark another ridiculous discussion about it). but he said one thing is that people say stuff like "oh you are over folding if you fold ____ on this board" or "this player c-bets way too much" but they actually have no idea what the optimal fold frequency is with that hand on that board or what the optimal betting frequency is with that hand.

anyway, was just curious as to what extent solvers can be applied to live play and how helpful they would be because I know much of LLSNL can be crushed without them.

What stakes do you play?

That applies to all stakes, if that’s what you’re asking. There is less difference between 1/2 and 10/25 than you’d think (depends on location ofc, like lol Vegas)...but yea still a ton of button clicking, except the button clickers at 10/25 think they have explanations for their button clicking.

And the only thing that I have gotten better at in 4 years is folding. Sure, I’ve learned a lot more theory. But I’m not much better since I read HOC years ago. In a game where 50% of players see flop and villains have 0% ft3bet and 0% ftcbet, folding is really the only thing you need to get good at.

It’s about 50% 2/5, 40% 1/2 plo, and 10% higher NL tho, since you asked. Biggest game being 1/2 plo.

Working with solvers is good in general to help your understanding of theory but applying what you learn to LLSNL games is largely not going to be useful. Like in his example, AJss vs AJcc on J47r. Vs 90% of the population, you should be playing both hands the same - just bet for value because we're not concerned with protecting our checking frequencies vs average population in this game. Vs the top good regs, then you can play a little more optimally.

What becomes problematic is when people start checking AJss here 90% of the time vs population because Pio says so. That is going to be a huge mistake in just about any LLSNL lineup.

Ive never played 10/25 but there is no way this can be true. 10/25 is generally filled with world class players

IMO, just ignore his pio solver advice..

I've played a lot of 10/25 and while there are definitely some not-so-world-class players in some lineups, I'd definitely love to xbook a very winning 1/2 reg in a random 10/25 game (even if we could give them a pill / endowment that will prevent them from being scared money)

The other important thing to note is that current meta-game for that particular hand is waayyy more prevalent for selecting which lines then as opposed to your exact holdings from a gto perspective

So what you're saying is that wouldn't stake Trooper in the 25/50 game running on LATB right now?

I don't know who Trooper is and I've never watched LATB but it still probably wouldn't be the worst staking decision I've ever made :P

This

I mean, i easily understand what Ava is trying to say with his statement about bigger stakes also consist of buttonclickers- just that bigger stakes buttonclickers have good excuses/explenations in their own head for what they are doing.

But still, its going a bit overboard trying to reduce the skill-level at bigger stakes to buttonclicking.

I have played a couple of pretty big games myself in private games/underground games,and cant say it was concerning at all-even when playing against couple of the supposed best players in the game.

What players at higher stakes is doing alot better in my opinion is finding the smaller nuances, adjusting/readjusting alot faster to spesific villain tendencies/table dynamics- and ranging people more accurately+ employing the correct exploitative strategies to attack those accurate ranges.

Sooo, you’ve never played 10/25, I’m telling you I play it (albeit only once a month), and you know more? twoplustwo in a nutshell.

The only difference between my 2/5 and 10/25 games is that at 10/25 the good players are significantly nittier, so the game can be pretty bad, but this can be made up for by the whales because the biggest whales play the highest stakes.

The 10/25 is certainly not tough though, not in the sense of being put in tough spots, and it is not filled with world class players. I’m put in much “tougher” spots in a good 2/5 game. As an example: I 3b squeezed 20bbs and got called in 5 spots the other night, we are all +200bb deep, flop JT3r, donk and 2 callers. That situation isn’t going to show up in an online grinders database of 3 million hands, and it is much more complex than people realize.

The 10/25 however is nearly always heads up pots, always smaller sizing, reliable turn and river lines, etc. Just a bunch of nits that occasionally spew really hard in real bad spots. And also have REALLY BAD money management in general.

Likely just speaks to something else I’ve stated itt many times, which is to find more remote / isolated games. This isn’t a 10/25 in Vegas.

The reason higher stakes winners are tighter is because literally all the $2/5 "crushers" are way too loose but play vs people who are too awful to exploit all the times they take ****ty lines with weak ranges.

And the reason for the higher stakes winners that are looser?

If these 2/5 crushers are crushing their games, then by definition they are not way too loose. They are playing the proper way to crush their games. Unless you think they would be crushing even more if they tightened up some, but I doubt that since they need to be in as many hands as possible agsinst these people that you say are so awful.

These same 2/5 crushers are probably smart enough to tighten up as much as needed if they played a different or higher stakes game where playing looser doesnt work as well. But then all you have is a higher stakes nit fest waiting for some whale to wonder in, which is exactly what Avaritia just described.