One could get stacked 6 times in an orbit and still have a winning session. Both are downswings though, regardless of whether you acknowledge them.

If you were poker-tracking/hold'em managing your hands live, any loss would be a downswing, be it one hand or one thousand. Your results are tracked hand to hand in an absolute sense.

Yeah but they're not.

Live poker is tracked in sessions I guess. Which means when you look at downswings, it's a function of how many sessions or hours you ran bad for.

I like reading posts discussing the minutiae with regards to tracking w/r

I just like the word "minutiae"

No, I mean actually losing 6 separate full buyins in one orbit, all with a set or better. This happened at Suit's casino, and I think he was there that day bringing me a fresh stack every minute or so lol.

So you got 6 pairs in 9 hands? That's running good. I used to play 13k hands a day online and have been playing in casino the last 15 years and I've never seen anyone get close to that. The most I've probably seen from a non fish is 3 times in a orbit. I guess you can say it could have happened when some people leave and don't re buy. Doesn't mean its impossible but most likely a huge over exaggeration that we all do when we are running bad.

Finally hit 1000 hours. Took me about a year. Planning on playing between 1500-1800 over the next 365 days.

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I started off on a major upswing. I was playing VERY exploitative and running very well obviously (I've said this before but I mainly play an overbluff/overfold strategy live).

Then went on a really long breakeven stretch where I had the worst downswing of the 1000 hr sample. This is literally when I started to play more 6 max cash games online and I truly believe it was the main cause of this bad stretch. (The mindset/strategy of beating 6max online and 2/5 Live are completely different). It was and still is very difficult to juggle the different thought processes required to beat both games.

I'm curious to see what my next 1000 hours look like. I would like to hope that my winrate will continue to increase. But I know it's mainly wishful thinking + unrealistic to think 10+bb/hr at live poker is sustainable.

Also, it's pretty eye opening how much tipping cuts into winrate. If I had to make a rough guess I'm tipping about $8/hr. That's $8K over this span! I'm definitely going to make a conscious effort to cut down on that.

I couldnt agree more. Lots of good online players get eaten alive playing live for a variety of reasons, even though live players are much worse than online players overall.

For me its kind of the same way with golf. I can hit a driver all day long straight as an arrow. I can also hit irons pretty well....as long as Im hitting only irons. When I have to go back and forth between a driver and irons over and over like you do when you actually play golf, its a whole different story. Suddenly its Slice City.

^ Yeah, for example you can discount a lot of hands from an opponents range online with a high degree of confidence. Live there are players that can have literally anything in any situation... A couple weeks ago there were 5 limp and the BB checked with KK. He ended up winning a good medium sized pot and was bragging how he liked to mix it up lol.

Online there are a lot of spots where you have to bluff catch with a decent frequency. Whereas in live play there are a good amount of players that close to never bluff on the river.

There are also more multiway bloated pots live (due to the larger standard opening sizes and the abundance of recs playing 50/10 PF).


Are you still crushing Mike? I remember you posted a graph a little while back.

I went thru about 150 hrs of the most horrific run bad Ive ever come across. It seems mostly to be over now. Also, the snowbirds are returning to Florida so I have high hopes for the next several months.

That sucks :/

That's interesting and makes sense how your games get better during the winter. I play in North East so the games are noticeably dying down now.

explain pls

Pretty much the white magic that phil hellmuth talks about lol

Now i'm really confused. Believe most of your hours were at 500 cap. I think $80 an hour is achievable in 1k cap.

We’ll see. I do have some hours in at parx and sugarhouse that has $1k. My winrate is higher in those games but only have 190 hours recorded

Awesome job Tilty. Keep the grind going.

@tilty: congrats, very nice results. Is that all 2/5?

also $8/hr for tipping seems like a ton. are you tipping >1$ per hand?

Re: getting stacked multiple buy-ins in an orbit

Ive told this story before but i got ai 3 times in the first 3 hands of a new table opening up vs a whale. -$500, -$500, +$1,000.

The third ai was my last bullet and i was thinking how incredible the situation was, that I could be going home after 3 hands with 3 successive bullets and my worst hand was AKs vs a whale shoving blind.

Until you see a whale's J4o vs your QQ and you feel sick to your stomach, you dont even know what variance is.

Even at $2 per hand, that's winning an avg of 4 pots an hour. Who does that? Not any good players I know. You have to play super loose to win 4 every hr long term, dont you?

This is how it happens. One of the whales in this hand started his stack by tripling up on a 3-way all in cold calling $300 pf w/ 23dd.

It’s prob a little lower. Also factoring in tipping waitress. Recalculating it’s prob around $6.5. I’ll try to get it to around $5/hr moving forward.

How much do you guys think you tip an hr?

I usually give $1 per hand I win, even if I scoop a HU pot with a c-bet (been thinking about eliminating this tip) and I'll usually bump up to $2 if I stack someone for more than 100bb. However, pending on the length of the session, I'll order one or two meals, which for me are free, so I tip the service ~$4 each meal. I think in a session of ~5hrs I must give away more than $10. I actually used to think it was less than $10 before I typed this out, but I guess if I played daily (which I almost do), that comes out to like $3k a year in tips. Hourly, I dunno... make like two fiddy to tree fiddy.

I guess it all depends on how many hands you play / win per hour and how many drinks you're getting.

I don't drink, am moving towards an uber tight nit strategy, and only tip $1 on big pots (no tips on raise-and-take-its, cbets, small limped pots, etc.). Lol, I'd guess I can easily tip $2 total in a 6 hour session depending on how things go.

$8/hr seems like you'd have to be playing a massive amount of hands / winning a lot of pots / tipping a lot per pot / having a lotta drinks.

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