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Old 01-21-2017, 12:08 PM   #17751
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dochoran - think we on the same page. I dont like to make super long posts and sometimes use too few words.

Entitlement tilt - This particular version is the type of tilt that I see on the regular from the regulars. goes something like this. OMFG these guys are soooo fukken retarted and they are slingin $$$ everywhere. I got to b in as many hands as possible with these fools. Suddenly they are playing hands they would never play from oop and the spiral continues. And the justification is comical

Obv the worst kind of tilt is the kind that causes complete loss of your roll. You see people go nuts and blast off a couple o stacks...they know they are on tilt. Entitlement, is interesting cuz justifications get made, and I am convinced in most cases they are NOT even remotely aware.

I generally do not talk about strat...but think about this long and hard from a biz perspective (I am talking both sides of the coin here)
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Old 01-21-2017, 12:09 PM   #17752
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yeah i pretty much just leave when i feel at all tilted and my 3 hour average session reflects that. It definitely allows for reducing losses but also prevents large wins in some capacity, as I don't reap the rewards of getting stuck/looking spewy and then getting tons of action after
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Old 01-21-2017, 12:19 PM   #17753
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Madison County GOP?

Maximum Gross Outstanding Position?

Macquarie Global Opportunities Partners?

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First thing I thought of, lol
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Old 01-21-2017, 12:23 PM   #17754
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Well, I could make a bankroll related post about that one, so it seemed the most likely, even though it doesn't fit in context.

After a google search that includes the word "poker," I presume it's a Tendler reference.
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Old 01-21-2017, 12:37 PM   #17755
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Mighty god of poker?
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Old 01-21-2017, 12:41 PM   #17756
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Might get offended player?
Menacing guy on pot?
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Old 01-21-2017, 01:20 PM   #17757
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Mental Game of Poker. Don't know why it's acronymized.
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Old 01-21-2017, 01:22 PM   #17758
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We're all going to look back on this and realize how dumb we were.
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Old 01-21-2017, 03:08 PM   #17759
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Old 01-21-2017, 05:51 PM   #17760
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Lol you live players! Tbf I've seen it acronymised more times than not, mostly in online players' PGCs. It's the benchmark for mental game info and if any of you think you need to work on that, do read this book.
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Old 01-21-2017, 07:48 PM   #17761
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Semi-serious question - if I'm paying a babysitter so I can go play poker do I need to count it in my win rate?
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Old 01-21-2017, 07:50 PM   #17762
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Semi-serious question - if I'm paying a babysitter so I can go play poker do I need to count it in my win rate?
No lol
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Old 01-21-2017, 07:51 PM   #17763
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I would if my goal, or one of my goals, is income. I wouldn't if my goal is fun, but I wanted to keep track anyway.
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Old 01-21-2017, 07:58 PM   #17764
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I'd record it as a general life expense. It has no effect on your results as a poker player. I.e. if you're 10bb/HR normally, vs 5bb/HR when you include the child rake, you go from an excellent player to a good player because of something completely unrelated to your skill as a poker player.
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Old 01-21-2017, 07:59 PM   #17765
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If you wanted to make money I'm guessing having a child was -EV.
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Old 01-21-2017, 08:02 PM   #17766
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If you wanted to make money I'm guessing having a child was -EV.
I barreled the turn and have 2!
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Old 01-21-2017, 08:04 PM   #17767
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I barreled the turn and have 2!
Man you run so bad. :')
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Old 01-21-2017, 08:11 PM   #17768
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If you're trying to use winrate to determine skill, then absolutely not.

If you want to consider strict financial profitability, then yes.
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Old 01-21-2017, 08:14 PM   #17769
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If you're trying to use winrate to determine skill, then absolutely not.

If you want to consider strict financial profitability, then yes.
This seems right to me. I'm the former.
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Old 01-21-2017, 09:22 PM   #17770
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I'm always on tilt. You can play so many more hands on tilt. Plus there's no diff between your A game and C game. It's all T game.
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Old 01-21-2017, 09:23 PM   #17771
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Semi-serious question - if I'm paying a babysitter so I can go play poker do I need to count it in my win rate?


Do you deduct gas, tolls, parking, food from your winrate?
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Old 01-21-2017, 09:28 PM   #17772
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Do you deduct gas, tolls, parking, food from your winrate?
Yeah that's the rub.

I do track gas, tolls, and parking in exceptional scenarios. But gas is like a dollar a session for me and I use all my comps on food, so I actually save money playing compared to not playing unless I get an especially elaborate meal.

And yeah, if it's just about measuring skill, don't include it. But babysitters are a lot more expensive than normal overhead costs, so I'd want to include it somehow. But yeah, I suppose I wouldn't include it in my win rate. I'd just have a separate stat where I deduct that from the profit/loss.
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Old 01-21-2017, 09:33 PM   #17773
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Time:inut:incidentals:w/r without incidentals:w/r with incidentals. Easy game.
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Old 01-22-2017, 04:30 AM   #17774
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I'd track it, but separate. Would be funny if you're up like $200 after a few months but, down because of baby sitting.

I know people who do exactly this type of stuff and don't include expenses in order for them to play poker.

One guy travels an hour for a weekly game, drinks the entire time and rents a room in a hotel. He's probably a small winner, but a loser when he includes all his expenses. Gas aint cheap in Europe.
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If you wanted to make money I'm guessing having a child was -EV.
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