Just count your starting and end position, then add that to number of orbits.

You won't have a full table the entire time

Close enough...

Thanks. I know hands per hour change with dealer efficiency, pot sizes, chops, hands, and player involvment.

Sounds like 25-30 sounds about right.

This might be a stupid question, but that hasn't stopped me before...

I have the choice of another game in my area. One game is 1/3 NL with a $300 maximum buy-in. The other is 1/2 NL, but again with a maximum buy-in of $300. Assume the games play the same (i.e. very similar pool of players and, due to same maximum buy-in, the games play pretty much the same in terms of average stack sizes at table, raise sizes, etc.).

Question: In terms of $$$ per hour (not BBs), could one game be more profitable than the other?

I'm guessing the 1/2 game might be more profitable simply because I'm not spending the extra $1 in blinds per round (although this might be close cuz I might complete my small blind a lot more loosely in 1/2 than in 1/3), plus I'm able to get into a lotta limped pots for $2 instead of $3 (although it's possible it might be slightly more difficult to build pots due to starting pot size on flop).

Thoughts?

any rake difference? are people always buying in for max?

I believe that 1/3 will always be more profitable because of the size of BB, which creates bigger pots on average.

sorry bro, but your pretty off.

live and online poker are completely different in terms of sample size. putting in 1400 hours strictly playing live is the equivalent of playing 250k hands of ol.

its a pretty ridiculous statement thinking bad players/fish can run good for more then a year..its just not going to happen, ol and live are 2 different games. fish do not run good for more then 30k hands..lol thats a crazy statement especially live.

if you dont think 30k hands live is a big sample size then you dont know what your talking bout....imo

Honestly, not sure about rake. I'm guessing it's the same (i.e. 10% up to $5, plus $1 for BBJ.

First time I've played in this 1/2 room, but stacks were similar to my 1/3 room (in that they were all over the place). Some shorter stacks (<$100), but also some monster stacks (one guy who had played all night was sitting with +$1600 and another guy at the table hit a heater in a short period and was right with him, multiple stacks that big I rarely even see at my 1/3 table).

It depends what we want to say our sample size is big enough to indicate. You are right that smaller samples are required for live to determine if you are a winner (higher winrates and lower standard deviation). But if you look at some of the software that can give you confidence intervals a 95% confidence interval for a player that played 40K hands and won at a good BB/100 is pretty surprising.

Its definitely possible to win 4BB/100 over 30k live hands and be a loser in the game. Maybe not a "fish", but a small loser is certainly possible.

Ya, I was wondering about this. Although, all it's going to take in a multi-way limped pot is a "slight" overbet on the 1/2 flop. For example, 7 ways to a 1/3 flop is $21, so very easy to get away with betting $20. However, 7 ways to a 1/2 flop is $14, so not quite as easy to bet $20, but then again, the flop is the one place we can get away with overbets; $15 would be super easy, so $20 ain't really too much of a stretch.

Other than that, even though I did notice some preflop raise sizes that I would rarely see in my 1/3 game (such as some $8 raises), for the most part the preflop raises were the same (and I could easily open for $15-$20 and get action).

Here are my stats for March. I was honestly hoping to play more. I only got in 35 hours this month. I will probably be only able to play about 35 in April as well. It was a swingy month, with most sessions seeming to be up and down and vice versa. I closed the month out with +$502 session on Friday night.

Hours: 35
$Won/Loss: $215
Hourly: $6.14

This was six sessions of $1/3 at Horseshoe Tunica.

My overall stats:

Hours: 75.5
$Won/Loss: $1,024
Hourly: $13.56

Need more hours

I've played poker as a part time amature for roughly three years now, but have only started noting my live results since the beginning of March.

These are my results to date:

Game - 2/2 NLHE
Net Win -$ $3,548.00
Average Hourly Rate - $59.61
Total Expenses - $428.00
Total Sessions - 16
Total Hours - 61.25
Winning Sessions - 13
Losing Sessions - 3
Biggest Win - $808
Biggest Loss - $300

Obviously I ran pretty hot, but I'm sure I can maintain my hourly rate in the long term /sarcasm

I think I am better than most of the regs at my casino, not all, but most. I'll post another stat update once I have sufficient hours.

Maybe you should start you own thread, just a suggestion. In fact I might do the same since I just started logging hourly results as well.

I agree. I have a side job that interferes with the time that I would be playing poker. I take all the cash that I earn from it and put it into my roll, but it still keeps me away from the tables. It just happens that March/April are busy times of the year for the side job, so I don't get to play as much. But I should be able to put a lot of time in during the month of May. I am going to Vegas Memorial Day Weekend, so that it will be at least 50 hours or so at the table.

i have been playing/coaching for a living for a little over 4 years now both live and online - hear are a few thoughts that come to mind for you to consider

i went "pro" when i got laid off too but i was already making more with poker than my job so it wasn't too hard

30 buyins might be OK as long as you have at least 1 year of living expenses in addition to your 15K

i like to take my "real winrate" to determine risk of ruin and determine needed BR. i figure my monthly nut, number of hours played and back that out of my actual WR(ie i make 60/hour but i know i will be spending half of that money on my bills so i use 30/hour as my WR for BR management decisions/calculations)

your spending(BR depletion) is a HUGE factor that most get wrong!

since i am on the BR issue - WR and spend rate are the critical factors so always work to improve your WR and control your expenses

grinding 40/hr per week is not the same as playing poker 10-15 hours per week - more stress, more sitting on your ass eating crap food, more exposure to germs, more nights away from wifey ... pickup a copy of Stress for Success by Loehr to help with this issue

don't ever lend money to poker players/gamblers!

on the sample size - since you don't have one you have to know why you are winning. if you understand why you are beating the game, see others mistakes, and keep working to improve your game you can feel confident that you are a winning player - all of this takes brutal self honest which isn't easy

can it be done - yes
is it worth doing - ?

Poker is the best part-time job but doing if full time is completely different

GL on the felt

March Results
117.5 hours
34 total sessions
29 @ 1/2 or 1/3
5 @ 2/5
+$3272
~$27.73/hr

march results
81.4 hrs
+$3,999 (lol!)

1/2: +$3986, 45.9hrs
2/5: +$1078, 13hrs
1/2plo: +$108, 8.9hrs
2/5nl - 1/2plo RxR: -$1,173, 13.6hrs

i run terrible in rxr

rxr?

round by round

Just started playing live cash games, mostly 1/2, one session of 2/5 which has a $300 buyin. I have had 9 winning sessions 1 break even and 0 losing. Small sample ldo:

+$1366
92 hours
$14.85 hourly (+$1/hr in comps)

also fairly sure i'm running a little below EV

Sorry, wth is round by round?

round by round is alternating between one game and another each round. in my case it's nlhe and plo.

where do you play at? that game sounds choice