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[OFFICIAL] Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr

Less than 0 (losing)

5 6.41%

0-2.5

0 0%

2.5-5

6 7.69%

5-7.5

8 10.26%

7.5-10

15 19.23%

10+

26 33.33%

Not enough sample size/I don't know

18 23.08%

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02-03-2016 , 02:16 PM

#13151

Aust1227

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 219

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Originally Posted by cAmmAndo

Do you bounce after doubling through and rebuy short again or continue to play deep?

I stay and try to adjust to deeper stacks. Typically I start thinking about bouncing to a new table or 2/5 when my stack starts approaching 500.

I am fairly risk adverse by nature, so I am more than happy to lock up a nice profit, even if it comes at the expense of a MONSTER day.

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02-03-2016 , 02:47 PM

#13152

JackInDaCrak

Just Another Dopamine Pump

Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 9,146

What is tight and splashy

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02-03-2016 , 02:52 PM

#13153

Angrist

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 3,887

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Originally Posted by JackInDaCrak

What is tight and splashy

Wait and jam. No limping or other small ball calls. If you're in the pot you're in it for a stack. Probably.

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02-03-2016 , 03:02 PM

#13154

johnny_on_the_spot

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 11,608

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Originally Posted by Angrist

Wait and jam. No limping or other small ball calls. If you're in the pot you're in it for a stack. Probably.

It has its merits. There is a reason why online has pro short stackers. It can be profitable. For a large majority of the poker playing population, it would be too boring. You outlined the basic way to play it correctly, which most people who short stack do the exact opposite.

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02-03-2016 , 03:23 PM

#13155

Aust1227

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 219

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Originally Posted by JackInDaCrak

What is tight and splashy

When I am in a pot, I am in it to win it.

I can push any percieved edge without worrying about tough decisions on later streets.

I can play top pair, top kicker like the nuts.

I can play AK way stronger than in a deep stack game. Queens and Jacks aren't trouble at all!

Pot comittment isn't an issue, it is a way of life.

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02-03-2016 , 03:30 PM

#13156

Richard Parker

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 13,949

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Originally Posted by Aust1227

I have something to admit. I play short!! I buy in for $100 at 1/2 NLHE.

My win rate since I started logging house is $26.88 Per hour ($93.76 STD), total of 240 Hours. Biggest single win was a measly $682, and the biggest single table loss was $300.

I hear all of the 2+2 Mafia lauding over the benefits of deep stack play. But, I love playing a very tight, splashy short stack game..

When short, I feel like i have a huge advantage over the loose passive regs at the local games. They always seem to be calling their draws with almost ZERO IO.

Am I leaving money on the table? Anyone else enjoy short?

Unless you're always cashing out after you hit 100bb, you're not really playing short much.

Starting short and permanently playing short are not the same.

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02-03-2016 , 03:31 PM

#13157

Richard Parker

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 13,949

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Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie

Most of the "2+2 Mafia" would probably do better by buying in shorter but it all depends on previous reads, dynamics, etc.

Posting on 2+2 doesn't make you a winning player.

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02-03-2016 , 03:33 PM

#13158

Richard Parker

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Originally Posted by Aust1227

I am fairly risk adverse by nature, so I am more than happy to lock up a nice profit, even if it comes at the expense of a MONSTER day.

Most people don't understand risk and like the idea of "locking up a win."

Not saying you have a win cap, but if you do, you better have a loss cap, too.

If your win cap is 200bb, and you don't have a stop cap, for every -400bb session, you need minimum of 2 winning sessions just to come out even. Think about the long term consequence of such scenario.

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02-03-2016 , 03:35 PM

#13159

suited fours

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 4,143

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Originally Posted by Richard Parker

Posting on 2+2 doesn't make you a winning player.

Now you tell me

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02-03-2016 , 03:36 PM

#13160

Richard Parker

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 13,949

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Originally Posted by Angrist

Wait and jam. No limping or other small ball calls. If you're in the pot you're in it for a stack. Probably.

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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot

Works online because you can cash out and multi-table.

Can't do it in live.

Plus your pool probably has to be big enough for people not to start really hate on you.

People who do shady things always say that they don't mind the hatred, and I can see why they don't, but do YOU want to be one of these guys?

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02-03-2016 , 03:37 PM

#13161

Richard Parker

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Originally Posted by OhNoHeDi'int

Very interesting. You hear so much about the advantages of deep stack but I wonder if it's overestimated at these stakes. As someone who doesn't quite have the bankroll for full buy-ins live, this makes me optimistic about buying in for less than max.

Any posts/books/strategy you found for starting short stack?

If you're a better player, deeper stack becomes an advantage.

If you're not, bigger the stack, bigger the risk.

All depends on where you sit on the spectrum.

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02-03-2016 , 03:41 PM

#13162

Richard Parker

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Originally Posted by Aust1227

Good way to get started with a short BR, but pretty horrible way of playing for everyone else.

Plus here are few inherited problem of playing in such way:

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When I am in a pot, I am in it to win it.

Optimal poker isn't about winning every pot; it also requires making good folds. Can't do that with a short stack.

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I can push any percieved edge without worrying about tough decisions on later streets.

Most profitable streets are on turn and river, the two streets that you are avoiding/missing.

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I can play top pair, top kicker like the nuts.

Super high variance for obvious reasons.

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I can play AK way stronger than in a deep stack game. Queens and Jacks aren't trouble at all!

Goes back to the same notes above. You often play them "too strong" because of your stack size and mostly missing value against weaker hands.

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02-03-2016 , 03:47 PM

#13163

Bluegrassplayer

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Most 1/2 and a lot of 2/5 games play like a short stacked online game anyways... even if you buy in for 100bbs.

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02-03-2016 , 04:03 PM

#13164

Richard Parker

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I don't think about grass on the other side.

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02-03-2016 , 04:07 PM

#13165

DeathCabForTootie

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Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 5,722

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Originally Posted by Richard Parker

Posting on 2+2 doesn't make you a winning player.

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Originally Posted by suited fours

Now you tell me

heeeee!!!

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02-03-2016 , 04:25 PM

#13166

StreetH

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 257

I suppose it speaks to my skill level, but I also enjoy the easy decision making that comes with a 100bb stack or facing opponents with less. Not a lot of tough decisions to make.

I don't play much online cash, but imagine that 100bb stack online plays more like a 200bb stack live considering live opens are usually 5x-8x at 1/2, while online it's closer to 3x.

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02-03-2016 , 04:30 PM

#13167

johnny_on_the_spot

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Originally Posted by StreetH

Not exactly, while preflop opens are on steroids compared to online, the later streets tend to have lower percentage of psb.

People live tend to feel "big" bets are based on dollar amount, not relation to the pot. You'll often see a bet of like $250 into a pot approaching $1000 and people will fold because $250 is a lot of money to them

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02-03-2016 , 04:34 PM

#13168

StreetH

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 257

True. Good points

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02-03-2016 , 05:54 PM

#13169

PJIMMY10

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 176

Does anyone call Kansas City their home market? How would u describe the games?

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02-03-2016 , 06:01 PM

#13170

Richard Parker

banned

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Wrong forum.

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02-03-2016 , 06:06 PM

#13171

PJIMMY10

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 176

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Originally Posted by Richard Parker

Wrong forum.

I thought u of all people might say that.

I just spent the last 2 weeks reading this entire thread, and I wanted to ask what kinds of winrates the good KC players are achieving but I thought that would get flamed on. So I don't really think it is the wrong forum.

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02-03-2016 , 06:12 PM

#13172

Richard Parker

banned

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Tree fiddy/hr.

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02-03-2016 , 06:18 PM

#13173

PJIMMY10

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 176

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Originally Posted by Richard Parker

Tree fiddy/hr.

So that is how u get 12k posts in 3 years? 2 posts in response to someone looking for insight and u have provided no substance...good work.

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02-03-2016 , 06:21 PM

#13174

Richard Parker

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My answers can only be as good as the questions.

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02-03-2016 , 06:23 PM

#13175

DeathCabForTootie

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 5,722

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Originally Posted by PJIMMY10

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Originally Posted by PJIMMY10

So that is how u get 12k posts in 3 years? 2 posts in response to someone looking for insight and u have provided no substance...good work.

I'd suggest posting in the KC sub-thread under 'Live Casino Poker' for better answers. TBH I don't think a ton of KC players post in this thread.

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