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Old 01-20-2016, 02:56 PM   #12851
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Just read last 6-7 pages of thread. Can I get a refund?
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Old 01-20-2016, 03:02 PM   #12852
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Just read last 6-7 pages of thread. Can I get a refund?
Quite a downswing, eh?
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Old 01-20-2016, 03:45 PM   #12853
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Quite a downswing, eh?
Or maybe variance of thread.
What do I know though, my WR -27BB/hr over last 48 hrs.

So obviously I am not qualified to have an opinion
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Old 01-20-2016, 06:02 PM   #12854
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The few weeks ago discussion I recall was someone advocating folding QQ if someone shoved AK and showed.

You can be a winning player with a basic play-it-safe gameplan, but I'm not sure what you are suggesting the role of the forums should be to serve the person executing that style. Should we have a rating system for tough spot, common spot? What, in practical terms, are you trying to say?
The QQ vs AK aipf is a big edge, folding the QQ was the example of a marginal spot and that's wrong, 33 vs AK is a marginal spot.

Guys who are just starting are impressionable, I didn't mind the advice in the specific HH threads, guys should be able to consider everything and know what they're capable of. But in this thread when the guy said foregoing any marginal spot definitely means you're going broke, that was really bad for that group.
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Old 01-20-2016, 07:32 PM   #12855
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The QQ vs AK aipf is a big edge, folding the QQ was the example of a marginal spot and that's wrong, 33 vs AK is a marginal spot.
Again, what?

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QQ vs AK AIPF is a big edge.
That's fine if you want to label 56:44 or 1.27:1 as big edge.

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Folding QQ was an example of a marginal spot and that's wrong.
QQ vs AK is big edge and folding QQ is an example of a marginal spot that's wrong?

Que?

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33 vs AK is a marginal spot.
53:47 or 1.11:1 is marginal and 56:44 or 1.27:1 is big edge.

Ok...

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Guys who are just starting are impressionable, I didn't mind the advice in the specific HH threads, guys should be able to consider everything and know what they're capable of.
Ok, so you're looking out for the new guys.

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But in this thread when the guy said foregoing any marginal spot definitely means you're going broke, that was really bad for that group.
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When "the" guy said...
What guy, which guy?

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foregoing any marginal spot definitely means you're going broke
Who's you? How is forgoing marginal spots mean that person is going broke?

I mean dang...what are you talking about?
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Old 01-20-2016, 09:36 PM   #12856
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This thread is awesome. And subbed.
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Old 01-21-2016, 03:04 AM   #12857
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Again, what?
My best advice is to get an SAT prep book if you keep reading things and not understanding them.

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That's fine if you want to label 56:44 or 1.27:1 as big edge.
You're allowed to give your definition of a big edge, small edge, fat value hand, thin value hand, etc. You don't know what they mean but you do know everyone else is wrong, that's the best you can come up with?

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53:47 or 1.11:1 is marginal and 56:44 or 1.27:1 is big edge.
Feel free to think for yourself and offer where the odds cross from marginal to big.

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TWhat guy, which guy?
Who's you? How is forgoing marginal spots mean that person is going broke?
Ask bip, he said it.

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Players who keep passing on +EV spots for risk reasons keep that ship sinking slowly.
And BGP already said, regarding andees comment, that if I'm responding to a metaphor I'm a liar and making massive assumptions, so just come up with something new when you're thinking of a comeback to this.
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Old 01-21-2016, 03:35 AM   #12858
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And I thought I was being kind to actually respond to your non-sense.
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Old 01-21-2016, 06:17 AM   #12859
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Never feel that it's necessary to post. If we wanted strategy advice that was free but insane we could all watch games that Andy Reid or Jim Caldwell have coached.
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Old 01-21-2016, 10:34 AM   #12860
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Again, what?



That's fine if you want to label 56:44 or 1.27:1 as big edge.



QQ vs AK is big edge and folding QQ is an example of a marginal spot that's wrong?

Que?



53:47 or 1.11:1 is marginal and 56:44 or 1.27:1 is big edge.

Ok...



Ok, so you're looking out for the new guys.





What guy, which guy?



Who's you? How is forgoing marginal spots mean that person is going broke?

I mean dang...what are you talking about?
Answering a post with 7 questions is a determine to the thread (although this thread is of little value to begin with).

Ducy?

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The QQ vs AK aipf is a big edge, folding the QQ was the example of a marginal spot and that's wrong, 33 vs AK is a marginal spot.
Regardless, if you truly believe this, or are trolling RP. Stop taking the bait. Not helping your cause. Definitely not a savior to beginner players with statements like the above

Let this thread go back to newbie WR questions.






So I am losing 26BB/Hr over last 50ish hours of play (@1/2). Is this sustainable? Would this rank me in top 10% of losers?
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Old 01-21-2016, 03:18 PM   #12861
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Old 01-21-2016, 03:57 PM   #12862
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Obviously spelt it wrong. Auto correct didn't do me any favors. My writing skills are equal to a 3rd grader. I am aware of this. Luckily my job is math and labor based.
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Old 01-21-2016, 05:49 PM   #12863
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Friends. I am currently "beating" 1/2 at a rate of ~4bb/hr over 250 hours. (tiny sample) I am aware that 1k hours will be much more reliable. I am looking to take shots at 2/5 in the near future. Of course my w/r is not very reliable, but it's all we have to work with right now. Current roll is ~4k. I do not feel as if I am a fish on a superheater but I guess that doesn't mean much to you guys.

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1) Is there a B/R # to shottake?

2) Is there w/r over # of hours to shottake?

3) How many buyins to shottake?

Any 1 of the 3?

Thank you friends.
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Old 01-21-2016, 06:23 PM   #12864
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Stick with 1/2
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Old 01-21-2016, 06:27 PM   #12865
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Friends. I am currently "beating" 1/2 at a rate of ~4bb/hr over 250 hours. (tiny sample) I am aware that 1k hours will be much more reliable. I am looking to take shots at 2/5 in the near future. Of course my w/r is not very reliable, but it's all we have to work with right now. Current roll is ~4k. I do not feel as if I am a fish on a superheater but I guess that doesn't mean much to you guys.

Questions:

1) Is there a B/R # to shottake?

2) Is there w/r over # of hours to shottake?

3) How many buyins to shottake?

Any 1 of the 3?

Thank you friends.
Whatever you have in excess of being comfortably rolled at your current stakes you can use for a "shot". If it doesn't work out you can move back down no harm done
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Old 01-21-2016, 06:39 PM   #12866
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Whatever you have in excess of being comfortably rolled at your current stakes you can use for a "shot". If it doesn't work out you can move back down no harm done
Just stick to making olive poasts IMO
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Old 01-21-2016, 06:44 PM   #12867
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Friends. I am currently "beating" 1/2 at a rate of ~4bb/hr over 250 hours. (tiny sample) I am aware that 1k hours will be much more reliable. I am looking to take shots at 2/5 in the near future. Of course my w/r is not very reliable, but it's all we have to work with right now. Current roll is ~4k. I do not feel as if I am a fish on a superheater but I guess that doesn't mean much to you guys.

Questions:

1) Is there a B/R # to shottake?

2) Is there w/r over # of hours to shottake?

3) How many buyins to shottake?

Any 1 of the 3?

Thank you friends.
Take a shot with what ever your comfortable losing.

2k or 10 buyins for 1/2, should be enough for rec player with a job. (For winner)

So taking 1 or 2 shots at 2/5, would be alright for most winning players. Leaving yourself 3k+ to rebuild.

250 hours seems like eternity. In reality it is 7,500 hands. It is a start.

Good luck
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Old 01-21-2016, 06:48 PM   #12868
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Stick with 1/2
+1

I don't understand why every person who has a positive win rate over a small sample wants to move up despite being under rolled for the stakes they want to go to

Double that 4k and then start shot taking if you're winning at a good clip, 2/5 ain't going anywhere
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Old 01-21-2016, 06:56 PM   #12869
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+1

I don't understand why every person who has a positive win rate over a small sample wants to move up despite being under rolled for the stakes they want to go to

Double that 4k and then start shot taking if you're winning at a good clip, 2/5 ain't going anywhere
Because, 90% of players play for recreation.
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Old 01-21-2016, 07:16 PM   #12870
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Thank you friends. Obv I'm not looking to do this with a 4k roll and the sample is tiny (I said that) but I was trying to lay out the info I had and is also why I asked the three questions. I will not be doing it super soon and I appreciate your honest insight.
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Old 01-21-2016, 07:54 PM   #12871
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I realize I will get crucified for saying this because anyone with a different opinion might as well be a leper. A solid winning player does not need 20 buyins when playing live. The players are just way too bad for a solid winning player to have anywhere near a 10-15 buy-in downswing. If you have 10 buy in downswings more than once in a blue moon playing live, you arent as good as you think.

PS...a 4BB / hr player isnt what I would call a solid winning player.
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Old 01-21-2016, 07:58 PM   #12872
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It sounds like that discussion a few weeks back that crushers don't need a big BR...

It's one thing to say that crushers, because of whatever reason, may not need a BR to start playing again, but it's another to imply that you don't need a big BR because big swings should be rare in LLSNL.
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Old 01-21-2016, 08:02 PM   #12873
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MikeStarr cashin checks and takin names itt.
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Old 01-21-2016, 08:06 PM   #12874
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MikeStarr cashin checks and takin names itt.

Think he was looking at you whilst typing bruh.

Jus sayin
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Old 01-21-2016, 08:28 PM   #12875
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A solid winning player does not need 20 buyins when playing live. The players are just way too bad for a solid winning player to have anywhere near a 10-15 buy-in downswing. If you have 10 buy in downswings more than once in a blue moon playing live, you arent as good as you think.
Well, you don't need "more than once in a blue moon", you only need *one* downswing to bust a small roll. Or a couple of 3-4 BI swings. It's also really easy for most players to turn a 7 BI swing into a 10+ BI swing if they get tilty.

If we're talking $4k for a $200 max buy $1/2 game he might be able to get away with $2k ... but it's a lot harder walking into the casino with your last $600 in your pocket instead of $1k with another $1.6k at home.

But if it's a $300 cap, he needs more. His $4k is only 13 BI. Assuming that we want to play poker with "poker money" that we can't readily replenish you really don't want to go too much lower than that.
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