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Old 01-19-2016, 08:58 AM   #12751
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But then you'd have to live in Philly
Actually you could live in the suburbs, New Jersey or even Delaware.
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Old 01-19-2016, 09:26 AM   #12752
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Yes for a crusher.

So the answer is probably no for even most of players who post in this forum.
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What do you think can a decent good player archive? Barely breakeven?
With this kind of rake is better to play tag or lag? Lag players pay much more rake but there are so many weak tight people in this game I think we can steal the **** out of them.
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Old 01-19-2016, 09:28 AM   #12753
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Old 01-19-2016, 10:16 AM   #12754
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Ok so I hate the term crusher and beatable, and I'm also going to throw out an idea that will probably be highly disagreed upon, I think it is possible to win in every single session at 1/2 or 2/5.

for a game to have enough variance to change a 8 hour session so drastically it either has to be an extremely loose game were people are stacking off extremely light, think PLO, because I have never played in this good of a NLH game. Or the reverse a really hard game where players are good and one or two coolers is impossible to come back from in a single session, and if I was playing in this type of game I would get up and leave.

Most no limit games are somewhere in the middle and they are also very consistent and I personally believe that if I lose a single session chances are I made mistakes that I can learn from. Even if I do get coolered there are typically enough mistakes being made that I can recoup whatever was lost all within a single session.

I always say if I feel like I was running well or running bad, but if I lose I always feel like there are plays I could have made to make it a winning session
You're either trolling or beyond help.

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Old 01-19-2016, 10:29 AM   #12755
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Ok so I hate the term crusher and beatable, and I'm also going to throw out an idea that will probably be highly disagreed upon, I think it is possible to win in every single session at 1/2 or 2/5.
I think everyone will actually agree that this is is not true except for completely brain dead people
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Old 01-19-2016, 10:34 AM   #12756
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If by "win" you mean "win or lose," then yes it is possible to win every session.
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Old 01-19-2016, 11:20 AM   #12757
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This whole win rate discussion is useless. There are so many different styles of poker. Some come with incredible variance and some come with low variance. The super low variance style also comes with a low win rate because you are never pushing small edges, but you can win a high percentage of sessions if thats what you are trying to do. The high variance style may come with a higher win rate if you are good at it, but it will take you 10 times as many hours to know if you are really winning and its much harder to be good at this style. Somewhere in the middle is the proper merging of aggressiveness / variance and win rate, but there's no way of knowing exactly where that is especially when every table is different.

If you are constantly raising the flop all in with lots of draws and 4 betting all in preflop with AK, then your variance is going to be a hell of a lot higher than a set miner.

All you can do is play YOUR style perfectly and not tilt away money, not try to bluff calling stations, not fold too easily to maniacs and things like that and see what happens.

One last thing, if your win rate is high for an extended period of time, that doesnt mean its only because you are running hot. It may be because you are better than most other players and they cant accept that fact. There is no pokertracker for live play so nobody knows what anyone else is winning so dont act like you do. If someone posts that they are winning 15BB / hr and you are winning 7BB / hr they may actually be better than you and not just be on a heater.
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Old 01-19-2016, 11:46 AM   #12758
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This whole win rate discussion is useless. There are so many different styles of poker. Some come with incredible variance and some come with low variance. The super low variance style also comes with a low win rate because you are never pushing small edges, but you can win a high percentage of sessions if thats what you are trying to do. The high variance style may come with a higher win rate if you are good at it, but it will take you 10 times as many hours to know if you are really winning and its much harder to be good at this style. Somewhere in the middle is the proper merging of aggressiveness / variance and win rate, but there's no way of knowing exactly where that is especially when every table is different.

If you are constantly raising the flop all in with lots of draws and 4 betting all in preflop with AK, then your variance is going to be a hell of a lot higher than a set miner.

All you can do is play YOUR style perfectly and not tilt away money, not try to bluff calling stations, not fold too easily to maniacs and things like that and see what happens.

One last thing, if your win rate is high for an extended period of time, that doesnt mean its only because you are running hot. It may be because you are better than most other players and they cant accept that fact. There is no pokertracker for live play so nobody knows what anyone else is winning so dont act like you do. If someone posts that they are winning 15BB / hr and you are winning 7BB / hr they may actually be better than you and not just be on a heater.
*** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances *** I love this thread.
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Old 01-19-2016, 11:55 AM   #12759
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The thinner you go the less you make for taking more risk/volatility. It's the same concept.
I wouldn't even want to play poker if I wasn't trying to maximize my hourly without regard for variance.
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Old 01-19-2016, 11:58 AM   #12760
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I wouldn't even want to play poker if I wasn't trying to maximize my hourly without regard for variance.

I seriously am trying to figger out what you are saying here...the tripple negative is causing me some issues - can I get a translator to "dumb this down" for me
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Old 01-19-2016, 12:02 PM   #12761
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I seriously am trying to figger out what you are saying here...the tripple negative is causing me some issues - can I get a translator to "dumb this down" for me
He luvs him sum variance.
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Old 01-19-2016, 12:03 PM   #12762
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I seriously am trying to figger out what you are saying here...the tripple negative is causing me some issues - can I get a translator to "dumb this down" for me
I believe:

I would only want to play poker with the goal of maximizing my hourly. I understand that playing in such a manner may require more variance than other playing styles.

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Old 01-19-2016, 12:17 PM   #12763
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lol typing monday when it's tuesday.
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Old 01-19-2016, 12:27 PM   #12764
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Pretty sure 9 posts is too small a sample size to draw any meaningful conclusions about the quality of the content ... right?
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Old 01-19-2016, 12:29 PM   #12765
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Pretty sure 9 posts is too small a sample size to draw any meaningful conclusions about the quality of the content ... right?
Not necessarily...I knew my poasting was **** after #2 or #3.
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Old 01-19-2016, 12:42 PM   #12766
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So this is my first time posting in this thread after reading for months. The fact that everyone boasts $20+/hour winrates at 1/2 and 1/3 is intimidating. When I talk to winning $5/10+ players they all say that they didn't win more than $12/hour when they were grinding up from $1/2. I realize I am running bad over a small sample size but I am probably only winning $10 or so an hour. Am I doing a lot wrong or are these $20/hour winrates just really unsustainable?
If you're a winner in this game, you are in a very rare minority. Don't undervalue that / take that for granted.

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Old 01-19-2016, 12:45 PM   #12767
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Ok so I hate the term crusher and beatable, and I'm also going to throw out an idea that will probably be highly disagreed upon, I think it is possible to win in every single session at 1/2 or 2/5.

for a game to have enough variance to change a 8 hour session so drastically it either has to be an extremely loose game were people are stacking off extremely light, think PLO, because I have never played in this good of a NLH game. Or the reverse a really hard game where players are good and one or two coolers is impossible to come back from in a single session, and if I was playing in this type of game I would get up and leave.

Most no limit games are somewhere in the middle and they are also very consistent and I personally believe that if I lose a single session chances are I made mistakes that I can learn from. Even if I do get coolered there are typically enough mistakes being made that I can recoup whatever was lost all within a single session.

I always say if I feel like I was running well or running bad, but if I lose I always feel like there are plays I could have made to make it a winning session
Lol. Even if you play absolutely perfectly (whatever than means), whether you win/lose a single 8 hour session is mostly up to chance.

The thing that will separate you from everyone else at the table (and hopefully make you a long term winner) is that in those sessions where everything goes horribly wrong that you lose less than your opponents would in the same spot.

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Old 01-19-2016, 01:12 PM   #12768
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Hi. I've been reading through some of this thread and I wanted some advice on moving up limits. I currently play 2/3 and have a massive hourly. I'm at $45.89/hour over 150 hours at a game that charges $5/hour and has rake 10% capped at $10.

I know this is a really small sample size and this hourly is probably not sustainable but how much longer should I play before trying some 2/5?

I don't think I'm good at poker (although I think I am probably one of the better players in my 2/3 pool) and I have sessions where I tilt off a few buy ins. Should I just wait a few more hundred hours to see where variance takes me? I'm a little scared of moving up even though the skill difference can't be that big.
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Old 01-19-2016, 01:17 PM   #12769
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Just take a shot. I didn't know how to wipe my own ass at one point, but then I just tried and it wasn't so bad.
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Old 01-19-2016, 02:11 PM   #12770
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I seriously am trying to figger out what you are saying here...the tripple negative is causing me some issues - can I get a translator to "dumb this down" for me
Yeah, I kinda used poor wording.

It would depress me to sacrifice winrate to lower my variance.
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Old 01-19-2016, 02:37 PM   #12771
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If the $2/5 game looks better than the $2/3 game, take a shot at $2/5. If you recognize bad players, see a lot of chips and booze, or other indicators the table is good, play.
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Old 01-19-2016, 02:42 PM   #12772
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disagree. if you have a $200 max loss, you shouldn't go broke if you have a proper bankroll and never use poker income for anything else.



of course you aren't going to win $200 every day and you aren't going to lose $200 every day that isn't a winning day.

That's not what the quote said. It says stop win.
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Old 01-19-2016, 03:16 PM   #12773
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Actually most of them won't be able to beat it, because they think they're too good and will try to LAG it up.

What's more annoying than a know-it-all player at the table? A higher stake "pro."
QFT. Some of my best wins have come from higher stakes throwing away "chump change" while they wait for their table to open up.
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Old 01-19-2016, 03:21 PM   #12774
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Not necessarily...slim knew my poasting was **** after #2 or #3.
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