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Old 01-18-2016, 10:27 PM   #12726
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Assume 100BB buy-in and a large player pool
12bb/hr should be crushing.
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Old 01-18-2016, 10:47 PM   #12727
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Define beatable.


Beat the game for a decent $/hour.
Lets say 25$/hour or more.
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Old 01-18-2016, 10:48 PM   #12728
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Don't understand how you can call these guys puss sissies and yet they call down with top pair. Does. Not. Compute.
Yeah, I really can't work out how these guys call with TP too much, and yet you cannot value overshove the river anymore.

I think you are doing something wrong?
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Old 01-18-2016, 11:05 PM   #12729
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There should be a win rates challenge section
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Old 01-19-2016, 12:06 AM   #12730
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Do you think a 2/4 game with max buyin 1k (average stack size 500) and a 5% rake cap 20 is beatable? Player pool not good but also not too spewy (lot of weak tight recs)
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Beat the game for a decent $/hour.
Lets say 25$/hour or more.
Yes for a crusher.

So the answer is probably no for even most of players who post in this forum.
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Old 01-19-2016, 12:07 AM   #12731
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Yeah, I really can't work out how these guys call with TP too much, and yet you cannot value overshove the river anymore.

I think you are doing something wrong?
Because "good" players aren't suppose to do that.
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Old 01-19-2016, 12:10 AM   #12732
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Because "good" players aren't suppose to do that.
Ah, that's why I don't get it.
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Old 01-19-2016, 03:42 AM   #12733
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So this is my first time posting in this thread after reading for months. The fact that everyone boasts $20+/hour winrates at 1/2 and 1/3 is intimidating. When I talk to winning $5/10+ players they all say that they didn't win more than $12/hour when they were grinding up from $1/2. I realize I am running bad over a small sample size but I am probably only winning $10 or so an hour. Am I doing a lot wrong or are these $20/hour winrates just really unsustainable?
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Old 01-19-2016, 03:56 AM   #12734
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Absolutely, just that players who can beat 1/2 for $20/hr will not stay in 1/2 long.
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Old 01-19-2016, 04:02 AM   #12735
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How beatable is a 1/2 game with a 20bb buy-in?
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Old 01-19-2016, 04:03 AM   #12736
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Define beatable.
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Old 01-19-2016, 04:08 AM   #12737
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How beatable is a 1/2 game with a 20bb buy-in?
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Old 01-19-2016, 04:09 AM   #12738
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$3 an hour after the $1 tip...
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Old 01-19-2016, 04:11 AM   #12739
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I would be happy to break even in that game.
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Old 01-19-2016, 04:17 AM   #12740
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Hahaha
Anyone start playing live in so-cal?
My finances are a minimum wage job.
I have about $1,000 saved to start playing live.
I guess in that game.

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Old 01-19-2016, 04:19 AM   #12741
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It's a game for fun, not one to build a career out of poker.
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Old 01-19-2016, 07:13 AM   #12742
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So this is my first time posting in this thread after reading for months. The fact that everyone boasts $20+/hour winrates at 1/2 and 1/3 is intimidating. When I talk to winning $5/10+ players they all say that they didn't win more than $12/hour when they were grinding up from $1/2. I realize I am running bad over a small sample size but I am probably only winning $10 or so an hour. Am I doing a lot wrong or are these $20/hour winrates just really unsustainable?
If those same 5/10 players went back to playing $1/2 I promise you they'd now be able to beat similar games for $20+/hr
The reason most winrates dont stay that big is because nobody stays at 1/2 once they can crush it
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Old 01-19-2016, 07:17 AM   #12743
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How beatable is a 1/2 game with a 20bb buy-in?
Completely not. Only Commerce is winning in that game long term.
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Old 01-19-2016, 07:39 AM   #12744
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If those same 5/10 players went back to playing $1/2 I promise you they'd now be able to beat similar games for $20+/hr

The reason most winrates dont stay that big is because nobody stays at 1/2 once they can crush it

Actually most of them won't be able to beat it, because they think they're too good and will try to LAG it up.

What's more annoying than a know-it-all player at the table? A higher stake "pro."
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Old 01-19-2016, 08:06 AM   #12745
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Then save yourself the extra time and value bet thinner.
The thinner you go the less you make for taking more risk/volatility. It's the same concept.

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Don't understand how you can call these guys puss sissies and yet they call down with top pair.
I call almost everyone a pu$$y, easier to understand?

But in poker terms, betting and raising are aggressive, check/calling is passive, it's that they only take the passive lines that make them boxes.
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Old 01-19-2016, 08:07 AM   #12746
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Ok so I hate the term crusher and beatable, and I'm also going to throw out an idea that will probably be highly disagreed upon, I think it is possible to win in every single session at 1/2 or 2/5.

for a game to have enough variance to change a 8 hour session so drastically it either has to be an extremely loose game were people are stacking off extremely light, think PLO, because I have never played in this good of a NLH game. Or the reverse a really hard game where players are good and one or two coolers is impossible to come back from in a single session, and if I was playing in this type of game I would get up and leave.

Most no limit games are somewhere in the middle and they are also very consistent and I personally believe that if I lose a single session chances are I made mistakes that I can learn from. Even if I do get coolered there are typically enough mistakes being made that I can recoup whatever was lost all within a single session.

I always say if I feel like I was running well or running bad, but if I lose I always feel like there are plays I could have made to make it a winning session
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Old 01-19-2016, 08:33 AM   #12747
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Not too often, rec players have become such pu$$ies, they play TP very similarly to boats it's a very high volatility low reward scenario.

Instead of working to figure out those spots and still only having it work some of the time, you're better off just playing 3 hours more per week.
So never try to get better at poker, just sit at the table for more hours?
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Old 01-19-2016, 08:33 AM   #12748
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The thinner you go the less you make for taking more risk/volatility. It's the same concept.



I call almost everyone a pu$$y, easier to understand?

But in poker terms, betting and raising are aggressive, check/calling is passive, it's that they only take the passive lines that make them boxes.
Point 1) Value betting thin will cause you to earn less because your volatility goes up? Wut? I'd like to get some of the high-limit crushers to chime in on that one.

Point 2) Calling down a big polarized river shove takes a certain amount of cajones. Not to mention, betting isn't always optimal. Maybe these guys who are "puss sissies" and are calling you down with top pair because you're too aggressive?
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Old 01-19-2016, 08:45 AM   #12749
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"If I cash out every time I am $200 ahead, I'll be broke."
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my ex wife thought this was a great strategy. i couldn't get her to understand why it wasn't.
disagree. if you have a $200 max loss, you shouldn't go broke if you have a proper bankroll and never use poker income for anything else.

of course you aren't going to win $200 every day and you aren't going to lose $200 every day that isn't a winning day.
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Old 01-19-2016, 08:45 AM   #12750
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So strange. I can access this page, now that we have a new one, but page 127 shall forever remain a mystery.
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