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[OFFICIAL] Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr

Less than 0 (losing)

5 6.41%

0-2.5

0 0%

2.5-5

6 7.69%

5-7.5

8 10.26%

7.5-10

15 19.23%

10+

26 33.33%

Not enough sample size/I don't know

18 23.08%

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01-18-2016 , 06:53 PM

#12701

browni3141

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 5,678

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

Anything specific that is lol?

I really don't know what the ceiling is regarding session winning percentage (and as RP says, it's probably not even important), but everything else he said is fairly similar to my experience (results oriented?).

But it is probably so market dependent. New markets are probably goldmines. Old ones, not so much if the forest has been pretty decimated.

GitismyunderstandingthatgoldcomesfromtreesG

It's not a stat we want to maximize, so it's lol to talk about a ceiling for it. Anyone could probably win 95% of sessions if they wanted to by manipulating play style and having a low stop-win.

Winning >70% seems suspicious IMO and someone with that stat would likely be doing something wrong to attain that, like playing too tight, using stop-wins, etc.

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01-18-2016 , 06:57 PM

#12702

Richard Parker

banned

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 13,949

"If I cash out every time I am $200 ahead, I'll be broke."

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01-18-2016 , 06:59 PM

#12703

TeamKB

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 650

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Parker

"If I cash out every time I am $200 ahead, I'll be broke."

my ex wife thought this was a great strategy. i couldn't get her to understand why it wasn't.

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01-18-2016 , 07:01 PM

#12704

gobbledygeek

Poet Laureate of LLSNL

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 36,136

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Originally Posted by browni3141

Winning >70% seems suspicious IMO and someone with that stat would likely be doing something wrong to attain that, like playing too tight, using stop-wins, etc.

But he stated his winrate was ~9bb/hr at ~70%, and that was very similar to my results as well ~1800 hours in.

And I didn't use any tricks like stop/-wins / hit/running / etc. (as I always play for a predetermined allotted time).

Gtight,ok,thatoneI'llgiveyouG

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01-18-2016 , 07:13 PM

#12705

suited fours

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 4,143

a 1/2 player with a WR of $18/hr and hourly stddev of $135 would "win" 60% of his sessions if he played 4 hour sessions, 65% if 8 hours, 68% if 12 hour sessions.

Since poker is one long session, I win 100% of my sessions. (or 0% if I'm just on a sick heater)

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01-18-2016 , 07:47 PM

#12706

cAmmAndo

The Situation

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,727

Quote:

Originally Posted by suited fours

Best (meaning moast simplicated) explanation of variationisms and standard deviants I've seen.

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01-18-2016 , 07:54 PM

#12707

eldiesel

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,585

Quote:

Originally Posted by suited fours

So, how often are you overshoving the river as a bluff now?

Not too often, rec players have become such pu$$ies, they play TP very similarly to boats it's a very high volatility low reward scenario.

Instead of working to figure out those spots and still only having it work some of the time, you're better off just playing 3 hours more per week.

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01-18-2016 , 08:16 PM

#12708

zoltan

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 21,490

Quote:

Originally Posted by suited fours

I was gonna say it's pretty clear that sd will correlate pretty strongly (negatively) to % of sessions won, all else equal. SF said same thing tho.

in before slim "lol." Bedtime is hard.

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01-18-2016 , 08:17 PM

#12709

DeathCabForTootie

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 5,722

Quote:

Originally Posted by eldiesel

Then save yourself the extra time and value bet thinner.

Don't understand how you can call these guys puss sissies and yet they call down with top pair. Does. Not. Compute.

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01-18-2016 , 08:18 PM

#12710

johnnyBuz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 7,563

I try to maka da monies everything else is white noise

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01-18-2016 , 08:29 PM

#12711

Twentythrees

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 259

Do you think a 2/4 game with max buyin 1k (average stack size 500) and a 5% rake cap 20 is beatable? Player pool not good but also not too spewy (lot of weak tight recs)

Last edited by Twentythrees; 01-18-2016 at 08:34 PM.

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01-18-2016 , 08:41 PM

#12712

Richard Parker

banned

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 13,949

Define beatable.

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01-18-2016 , 08:46 PM

#12713

UCDLaCrosse

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4,903

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Parker

Define beatable.

Define define.

One of my fave posters is back, HOW THE HELL ARE YA RP?

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01-18-2016 , 08:50 PM

#12714

Richard Parker

banned

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 13,949

Doing great! Never really gone, unless I don't play poker anymore.

I don't think that'll happen.

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01-18-2016 , 09:54 PM

#12715

shrewsbury91

adept

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 781

Percentage of sessions cashed is such an overrated statistic, don't see how people take so much stock in that pretty useless metric. It's like in baseball a closer posting a 5-0 record with a 5.67 ERA, you suck at pitching with a slim lead but your team bails you out in the later innings.

With a significant sample size and not a weekend warrior, what BB/hr at the low stakes do you consider crushing the game nowadays? Is 12BB/hr an accurate benchmark?

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01-18-2016 , 10:06 PM

#12716

Richard Parker

banned

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 13,949

Average BI size and size of player pool are variables needed for that question.

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01-18-2016 , 10:14 PM

#12717

FishtermerService

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 269

I cant' lie. I am technically 12/13 on sessions cashed. On one night, I left literally even. I bought in for 1200, left with 1200. I had dinner and what not, and tips , so I still won. I changed it to 1201 on my app so it would show as a win, not a loss. :|

I got a problem

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01-18-2016 , 10:14 PM

#12718

FishtermerService

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 269

Either way.....I wish I could play more. Just with a serious job and all, it's tough. I wish I could be like you guys. My goal is ~100 hours a month.

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01-18-2016 , 10:23 PM

#12719

shrewsbury91

adept

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 781

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Parker

Average BI size and size of player pool are variables needed for that question.

Assume 100BB buy-in and a large player pool

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Originally Posted by FishtermerService

Either way.....I wish I could play more. Just with a serious job and all, it's tough. I wish I could be like you guys. My goal is ~100 hours a month.

100 hours a month is a good goal to start, but try doing that for 6 months straight and see if you feel burnt out.

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01-18-2016 , 10:27 PM

#12720

Richard Parker

banned

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 13,949

Quote:

Originally Posted by shrewsbury91

Assume 100BB buy-in and a large player pool

12bb/hr should be crushing.

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01-18-2016 , 10:47 PM

#12721

Twentythrees

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 259

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Parker

Define beatable.

Beat the game for a decent $/hour.
Lets say 25$/hour or more.

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01-18-2016 , 10:48 PM

#12722

Buster65

The Situation

Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 2,240

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie

Don't understand how you can call these guys puss sissies and yet they call down with top pair. Does. Not. Compute.

Yeah, I really can't work out how these guys call with TP too much, and yet you cannot value overshove the river anymore.

I think you are doing something wrong?

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01-18-2016 , 11:05 PM

#12723

VolumeKing

adept

Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 729

There should be a win rates challenge section

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01-19-2016 , 12:06 AM

#12724

Richard Parker

banned

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 13,949

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twentythrees

Do you think a 2/4 game with max buyin 1k (average stack size 500) and a 5% rake cap 20 is beatable? Player pool not good but also not too spewy (lot of weak tight recs)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twentythrees

Beat the game for a decent $/hour.
Lets say 25$/hour or more.

Yes for a crusher.

So the answer is probably no for even most of players who post in this forum.

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01-19-2016 , 12:07 AM

#12725

Richard Parker

banned

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 13,949

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buster65

Yeah, I really can't work out how these guys call with TP too much, and yet you cannot value overshove the river anymore.

I think you are doing something wrong?

Because "good" players aren't suppose to do that.

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