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Old 01-12-2016, 11:29 AM   #12576
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Keeping track of tips seems tedious, but to each there own. I'd probably care more about it if I was a pro, as a rec player I definitely chalk it up to cost of doing business.

Not drinking because you don't want to tip a buck is kinda cheap IMO, including water. Granted, a few places I play don't have free booze, that's definitely different.
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Old 01-12-2016, 12:51 PM   #12577
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I track my tips, but it doesn't change my tipping behavior. It's just so easy, that it's like "Why not?"
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Old 01-12-2016, 02:08 PM   #12578
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When you realize that WR is mostly product of your surrounding, you would then find this topic really silly.
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Old 01-12-2016, 02:20 PM   #12579
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When you realize that WR is mostly product of your surrounding, you would then find this topic really silly.
can you explain?
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Old 01-12-2016, 02:28 PM   #12580
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can you explain?
Playing with donkeys who will call you down 3 streets with TPNK, 2nd pair, 3rd pair is going to effect your WR more than the $5/hour you tip the help. Learn to find these people and tipping becomes moot
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Old 01-12-2016, 02:47 PM   #12581
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Playing with donkeys who will call you down 3 streets with TPNK, 2nd pair, 3rd pair is going to effect your WR more than the $5/hour you tip the help. Learn to find these people and tipping becomes moot
ahhh gotcha...for some reason...it didnt want to compute haha

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Old 01-12-2016, 02:49 PM   #12582
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Ya, and also WR is most commonly used to compare to an hourly wage, and yet it has very little similarity.

Your hourly wage is determined by your boss for what he thinks of your work is worth. It is also relatively stable and mostly go up if you put in sufficient hours. It is also a constant; if you show up for work, you get paid.

None of that applies to what a WR represents.

IMO, WR is better compared to your mile time. If you work hard everyday and don't slack off, your mile time improves. If you eat healthy, drink sufficient fluid, get enough sleep, your mile time improves.

If you quit running for a while, the number gets worse. If you have an injury, number gets worse. If you decided to eat bunch of wings during football season, start to slack off, doing some other crap, etc..., your number gets worse.

And when you hit certain mile time, you cannot improve on it anymore.

Lastly and most importantly, nobody gives a **** about your mile time, only you do.
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Old 01-12-2016, 03:34 PM   #12583
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I started playing live cash here in the UK in March 2015, i would say i was a break even to losing player back then , 2 of my friends took me under their wing and began coaching me .

I started playing 1/2 with the goal of having a +£15k year which would be very good for me just starting out playing cash, i ended the year + £10,000,00 which was ok for my first year playing live cash, i also had a job beside this at a casino so was a nice little extra earner.

My goal for 2016 is to finish the year at least +£30,000,00 playing 1/2 2/5 + 5/5 it will mostly be 1/2 though as you struggle to get bigger games around here.

So far this year

7 Sessions
7 Wins

+£4,2560,00

LETS GO!
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Old 01-12-2016, 03:54 PM   #12584
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So far this year

7 Sessions
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+£4,2560,00

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Damn, you moved up really fast
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Old 01-12-2016, 04:02 PM   #12585
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Probably gonna take another shot at 10/10 tonight. Hoping it goes better than my last foray. *please please pretty please run good tonight*
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Old 01-12-2016, 04:08 PM   #12586
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Probably gonna take another shot at 10/10 tonight. Hoping it goes better than my last foray. *please please pretty please run good tonight*
Good luck!

How much money do you bring to a 10/10 game? Lol, I usually bring $2000 to my 1/3 NL game just so I'm never in any danger of having to leave. Is it quite the mind **** to bring whatever you're bringing to this game?

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Old 01-12-2016, 05:01 PM   #12587
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Probably gonna take another shot at 10/10 tonight. Hoping it goes better than my last foray. *please please pretty please run good tonight*
Imo, this shows the wrong mind set on several levels. You might want to rethink about how you are going about taking shots.

You should really be waiting for a good game with relatively low downside risk when playing above your normal stakes. You also sound a bit desperate to run good, which is a disaster waiting to happen. I know that you know these things, but sometimes we get wrapped up in what we are doing and forget some basic truths.
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Old 01-12-2016, 05:05 PM   #12588
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Ya, and also WR is most commonly used to compare to an hourly wage, and yet it has very little similarity.

Your hourly wage is determined by your boss for what he thinks of your work is worth. It is also relatively stable and mostly go up if you put in sufficient hours. It is also a constant; if you show up for work, you get paid.

None of that applies to what a WR represents.

IMO, WR is better compared to your mile time. If you work hard everyday and don't slack off, your mile time improves. If you eat healthy, drink sufficient fluid, get enough sleep, your mile time improves.

If you quit running for a while, the number gets worse. If you have an injury, number gets worse. If you decided to eat bunch of wings during football season, start to slack off, doing some other crap, etc..., your number gets worse.

And when you hit certain mile time, you cannot improve on it anymore.

Lastly and most importantly, nobody gives a **** about your mile time, only you do.
Surely, if you were gambling on your future mile time, it would useful to know what your peers' mile times are so that you can gauge what is possible and probable for you. It isn't perfect, of course, but it's what we have. (In poker, we are gambling our time and effort for an expected monetary outcome.)
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Old 01-12-2016, 05:20 PM   #12589
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Ya, and also WR is most commonly used to compare to an hourly wage, and yet it has very little similarity.

Your hourly wage is determined by your boss for what he thinks of your work is worth. It is also relatively stable and mostly go up if you put in sufficient hours. It is also a constant; if you show up for work, you get paid.

None of that applies to what a WR represents.

IMO, WR is better compared to your mile time. If you work hard everyday and don't slack off, your mile time improves. If you eat healthy, drink sufficient fluid, get enough sleep, your mile time improves.

If you quit running for a while, the number gets worse. If you have an injury, number gets worse. If you decided to eat bunch of wings during football season, start to slack off, doing some other crap, etc..., your number gets worse.

And when you hit certain mile time, you cannot improve on it anymore.

Lastly and most importantly, nobody gives a **** about your mile time, only you do.
The other milers will pretend to care until they can tell me about their mile time.
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Old 01-12-2016, 05:41 PM   #12590
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Surely the guy running 4 minute mile isn't going to tell you his training and diet regiments, and knowing 4 minute mile is possible doesn't really mean anything...
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Old 01-12-2016, 05:49 PM   #12591
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You should really be waiting for a good game with relatively low downside risk when playing above your normal stakes.
+1, good suggestion, imo

Maybe instead of heading to the casino saying "I'm planning on playing 10/10 tonight", append "*if* the game looks good"?

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Old 01-12-2016, 05:52 PM   #12592
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I wonder if Johnny is playing 10/10 to be like Mike McDermott sitting in a game with Johnny Chan so that he can convince himself that playing poker full-time is the right thing to do.
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Old 01-12-2016, 06:00 PM   #12593
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Surely the guy running 4 minute mile isn't going to tell you his training and diet regiments, and knowing 4 minute mile is possible doesn't really mean anything...
What We Mortals Can Learn From the 4-Minute Mile
Written by Matt Frazier
The experts said it couldnít be done
According to legend, experts said for years that the human body was simply not capable of a 4-minute mile. It wasnít just dangerous; it was impossible.

Further legends hold that people had tried for over a thousand years to break the barrier, even tying bulls behind them to increase the incentive to do the impossible.

In the 1940ís, the mile record was pushed to 4:01, where it stood for nine years, as runners struggled with the idea that, just maybe, the experts had it right. Perhaps the human body had reached its limit.

The breakthrough
On May 6, 1954, Roger Bannister broke the 4-minute barrier, running the distance in 3:59.4. As part of his training, he relentlessly visualized the achievement in order to create a sense of certainty in his mind and body.

Barely a year after Bannisterís accomplishment, someone else ran a mile in under 4 minutes. Then some more runners did. Now, itís almost routine. Even strong high-schoolers today run 4-minute miles. [Note: this used to say ď24 people broke the 4-minute mark within a year of Bannister. This is wrong; see the comments.]

What does this mean for us?
I donít know about you, but for me, a 4-minute mile is probably not in the cards. (5 minutes? Maybe one day.) Thatís not the point. The point is this: It took a sense of extreme certainty for Roger Bannister to do what was considered un-doable. He alone was able to create that certainty in himself without seeing any proof that it could be done.

But once he crashed through that barrier, the rest of the world saw that it was possible, and the previous record that had stood for nine years was broken routinely.

- See more at: http://www.nomeatathlete.com/4-minut....vV8eL2Y2.dpuf
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Old 01-12-2016, 06:14 PM   #12594
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Imo, this shows the wrong mind set on several levels. You might want to rethink about how you are going about taking shots.

You should really be waiting for a good game with relatively low downside risk when playing above your normal stakes. You also sound a bit desperate to run good, which is a disaster waiting to happen. I know that you know these things, but sometimes we get wrapped up in what we are doing and forget some basic truths.
lol what dude? I'm playing 10/10 tonight because the game will be good and my throwaway comment about running good was in jest because the last time I played 10/10 I lost 200 BB's in an hour losing two flips.

But thanks for your concern.
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Old 01-12-2016, 06:15 PM   #12595
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Ok, but if you're running 10 minute mile, does it matter that 4 minute mile is possible?
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Old 01-12-2016, 06:16 PM   #12596
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I'm playing 10/10 tonight because the game will be good
It's a set lineup?

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Old 01-12-2016, 06:21 PM   #12597
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It's a set lineup?

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No, but I've been observing the game for weeks, there will be multiple tables going (3-4) in addition to a 10/25 NL game and some big PLO games meaning the talent pool should be diluted and likely filled with other shot takers and losing 2/5 players.
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Old 01-12-2016, 06:22 PM   #12598
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Feel like I am reading this:

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Mike McDermott: You told me a lot of things
Joey Knish: Yeah I did, and you don't listen, I tell you to play within your means, you risk your whole bank roll, I tell you not to over extend yourself, to rebuild, so you don't have to hock for more, I was giving you a living, showing you the playbook I put together off my beats and that wasn't enough for you
Mike McDermott: This is the one time I don't need you to tell me how I ****ed up, I know I ****ed up, what I need from you is money, I need whatever money you can give me
Joey Knish: That's the thing, this time there is no money, I give you two grand what's that buy you? A day? No I give it to you I'm wasting it
Mike McDermott: That's ****ing great
Joey Knish: You did it to yourself, you had to put it all on the line for some Vegas pipe dream
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Old 01-12-2016, 06:59 PM   #12599
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No, but I've been observing the game for weeks, there will be multiple tables going (3-4) in addition to a 10/25 NL game and some big PLO games meaning the talent pool should be diluted and likely filled with other shot takers and losing 2/5 players.
Wow, 3-4 10/10 games?!?!

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Old 01-12-2016, 07:12 PM   #12600
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Good luck JohnnyB!

I played some $5/$10 on the weekend in a soft lineup. For me, the key is to not level myself at bigger stakes. Fish were the same except with deeper pockets.
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