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Old 12-30-2015, 07:12 PM   #12376
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Good stuff Jonny
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Old 12-30-2015, 07:49 PM   #12377
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Old 12-30-2015, 08:19 PM   #12378
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Two questions:

1. Is there much value in tracking +/- on an hourly basis rather than on a session basis? How interesting/valuable would this info be over a long run period of 1000-1200 hours? Enough to be worth the extra mental effort and book keeping?

2. Is there a minimum threshold for winrate at 1/2 that you'd expect someone to achieve after 1000-1200 hours, below which you'd say "you probably aren't ready for 2/5"? If so, what is that?
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Old 12-30-2015, 08:31 PM   #12379
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Nice work, johnny.
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Old 12-30-2015, 10:54 PM   #12380
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So this is my first post in this thread, I had never really thought to keep track of hourly rates until I came here, it's a small sample size, but its somewhere to start:
(over the last 11 weeks and 1 day)

1-2 NL Hold'em 53 hours $18.87 per hour for 9.43396 BB per hour
1-3 NL Hold'em 34 hours $55.91 per hour for 18.63725 BB per hour
2-5 NL Hold'em 0.5 hours $154 per hour for 30.8 BB per hour
1-2 PLO Hi 1 hour $850 per hour 425 BB per hour
5-5 PLO Hi 4 hours -$463.25 per hour -92.65 BB per hour
Dealer's Choice 1 hour $42 per hour

Played 1 live tournament (~10 hours) 10th place/121 ITM for $196 profit after BI and Bubble payout

And that covers all live poker I've played over this time period. Not a large sample size at all but it's something to start on.
Time for an end of the year update, these are my new numbers over the last 17 weeks and 3 days

1/3 NL Texas Hold'em 80.6 Hours +$29.33 per hour for +9.77667 BB per hr
1/2 NL Texas Hold'em 53 Hours +$18.87 per hour for +9.43396 BB per hr
2/5 NL Texas Hold'em 15.9 Hours +$63.33 per hour for +12.666 BB per hr
1/2 PLO Hi 3.5 Hours +$186.29 per hour for +93.142857 BB per hr
1/2 PLO Hi/PLO Hi/Lo Round by Round 1.5 Hours +$356 per hour for +178 BB per hr
5/5 PLO Hi 4 Hours -$463.25 per hour for -92.65 BB per hour
Dealer's Choice Poker 1 Hour +$42 per hr

3 live tournaments (~17 hours) 10th/121; 27th/40; 12th/59 1 ITM (33%) for a net profit of -$74

and that covers everything from the first post and the last 6 weeks and 2 days for 17 weeks and 3 days total.
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Old 12-30-2015, 10:59 PM   #12381
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Gg Buz
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Old 12-30-2015, 11:07 PM   #12382
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johnny -- awesome, and thanks for sharing your stats in detail. Always interesting to see.

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Two questions:

1. Is there much value in tracking +/- on an hourly basis rather than on a session basis? How interesting/valuable would this info be over a long run period of 1000-1200 hours? Enough to be worth the extra mental effort and book keeping?

2. Is there a minimum threshold for winrate at 1/2 that you'd expect someone to achieve after 1000-1200 hours, below which you'd say "you probably aren't ready for 2/5"? If so, what is that?
KB -- 1. I don't think there is enough value to justify it. Sure your hourly standard deviation would be a bit more accurate, and your graph would look smoother, but so what? Your winnings would be the same.

One piece of information I would find interesting is your winrate by hour of the session -- is it actually worth playing way longer than usual or do you just end up spewing? But you wouldn't be able to gather enough data to find out.

And one downside is that if you are checking how much you are up or down every hour you are probably worrying too much about p&l. I prefer not to find out how much I won or lost until I get home, which might be too extreme the other way, but the point is if you're thinking about being up or down at the table it's probably affecting you in a bad way.

2. No because maybe the 2/5 in your location is super juicy and you'd be crazy not to play it. Or maybe the 2/5 in your location is awful and you should stick to 1/2 even if you're crushing it. If you want to know, put up a minbuy, sit down and watch. You don't have to "play poker" to see the game. Actually, you literally don't have to play poker, but railbirding a 2/5 table for an hour might get you some weird looks.

Probably don't move up if you're struggling at 1/2. If you think you know how to play however, there isn't a magic number, you have to figure it out yourself somehow.

Me -- I want to play more poker next year. I really took it easy in 2015, which is fine, but I want to make some money while I'm still ahead of the game. And staying ahead is probably easier than catching up.

My goal for 2015 was simply to stay in my happy place. Play games I'm comfortable in, not worry about moving up and playing the 'big game', not force myself to grind, just play when I feel like it and feel good playing and not feel like hell tilting off a bunch of money and feeling like it's work. I failed a few times but I think on the year I can give myself a "satisfactory" in that regard
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Old 12-30-2015, 11:14 PM   #12383
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Two questions:

1. Is there much value in tracking +/- on an hourly basis rather than on a session basis? How interesting/valuable would this info be over a long run period of 1000-1200 hours? Enough to be worth the extra mental effort and book keeping?

2. Is there a minimum threshold for winrate at 1/2 that you'd expect someone to achieve after 1000-1200 hours, below which you'd say "you probably aren't ready for 2/5"? If so, what is that?
1. No

2. If you are beating 1/2 for 5bbs then you'll probably make at least as much money at 2/5. Use a variance calc and look at confidence intervals first though. 1/2 to 2/5 isn't much of a leap in most markets imo. It is different if 2/5 is the biggest game in the area though.
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Old 12-31-2015, 10:56 AM   #12384
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Heres some heat and beats:

2014

CASH: +$33,432 28/hr 1167 hours



2/5 41/hr 769 hours
1/3 (-4)/hr 181 hours
1/2 28/hr 198 hours

Less than 20 hours of failed 5/T shots (-2.9k) and one insignificant PLO session loss brings the overall hourly down

TOURNAMENT: -5,090 -59/hr ABI:$242 ROI:-58% 85 hours



2015

CASH: +$76,423 72/hr 1059 hours



5/T 51/hr 201 hours
2/5 92/hr 723 hours

Have 100 hours or so of various stakes/PLO included in the overall. Actually went profitable in the 1/3 this year and also played 1 session of T/20 and won $500.

TOURNAMENTS: -30,319 -137/hr ABI:$606 ROI:-88% 221 hours



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Old 12-31-2015, 11:04 AM   #12385
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Pretty insane 2/5 stats. Your tournament results make me never want to try however.
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Old 12-31-2015, 04:18 PM   #12386
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Must be nice to be 3 standard deviations to the right of your mean
Sick heater at 2/5 man, i'm jealous
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Old 12-31-2015, 04:25 PM   #12387
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Whats the story with the tourney results?
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Old 12-31-2015, 04:32 PM   #12388
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It's only 50 tourneys. It's a trivially small number.
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Old 12-31-2015, 05:57 PM   #12389
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Here's my stats in cash games for the year:

2/5 & 5/5:
1243 hours
+$52,126
$41.94/hr

5/10:
117 hours, 56 minutes
+$9,798
$83.08/hr

GL to everyone in 2016!
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Old 12-31-2015, 06:42 PM   #12390
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Very nice - crushing it
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Old 12-31-2015, 06:46 PM   #12391
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Fish on a heater ITT
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Old 12-31-2015, 06:56 PM   #12392
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Beats losing Tootie!
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Old 12-31-2015, 07:17 PM   #12393
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Beats losing Tootie!
Also very believable results, lol.

Was planning to play today, but it's not gonna happen after all, so 2015 is in the books for me. Best year since moving to Vegas ended with my best month since moving to Vegas. Spreadsheet this month is like poker porn, lol. First legit heater I've had in 4.5 years.
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Old 12-31-2015, 07:20 PM   #12394
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What do you guys think is a reasonable WR for someone who plays only weekday afternoons between noon to 6pm with a buy-in structure of 20bb to 60bb, and most people buying for 40bb?

There is also mostly only 1 table and 2nd table is must-move that starts around 2 to 3pm.
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Old 12-31-2015, 07:53 PM   #12395
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What do you guys think is a reasonable WR for someone who plays only weekday afternoons between noon to 6pm with a buy-in structure of 20bb to 60bb, and most people buying for 40bb?

There is also mostly only 1 table and 2nd table is must-move that starts around 2 to 3pm.
Probably between 3-4bb/hr if you are the G.O.A.T.
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Old 12-31-2015, 09:06 PM   #12396
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Probably between 3-4bb/hr if you are the G.O.A.T.
Feeling a LOT better about my winrate now haha.
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Old 12-31-2015, 09:12 PM   #12397
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What do you guys think is a reasonable WR for someone who plays only weekday afternoons between noon to 6pm with a buy-in structure of 20bb to 60bb, and most people buying for 40bb?

There is also mostly only 1 table and 2nd table is must-move that starts around 2 to 3pm.
I think it'd be more reasonable to not play.

This sounds horrendous.
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Old 12-31-2015, 10:00 PM   #12398
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What do you guys think is a reasonable WR for someone who plays only weekday afternoons between noon to 6pm with a buy-in structure of 20bb to 60bb, and most people buying for 40bb?

There is also mostly only 1 table and 2nd table is must-move that starts around 2 to 3pm.

Games have a natural self balancing mechanism... as seen with "higher the rake, better the action".

Just taking a guess you beat these games for 10bb/hr which is absolutely crushing.
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Old 12-31-2015, 10:01 PM   #12399
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It's one of those "playing the cards you're dealt" kind of things.
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Games have a natural self balancing mechanism... as seen with "higher the rake, better the action".

Just taking a guess you beat these games for 10bb/hr which is absolutely crushing.

Action is actually really bad, 20bb bet is considered big.

I do not beat it for 10bb/hr, don't think it's possible.

I am just curious what people think is decent WR for a game like that.
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