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[OFFICIAL] Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr

Less than 0 (losing)

5 6.41%

0-2.5

0 0%

2.5-5

6 7.69%

5-7.5

8 10.26%

7.5-10

15 19.23%

10+

26 33.33%

Not enough sample size/I don't know

18 23.08%

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12-18-2015 , 11:34 AM

#12176

Dizzyqtp

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Yeah, I've played ~40-50 hours of 2/5 at Parx and already gotten in 200BB (&~150BB a good few times as well) in a limped pot..against a guy with a Q high flush... on a paired board, and he would have gotten more in if I had more behind.

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12-18-2015 , 12:18 PM

#12177

bobman0330

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Heh, I put in about 175 BBs with 77 on a QQT54 board maybe 30 table hours ago.

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12-18-2015 , 02:36 PM

#12178

HappyLuckBox

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Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,491

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Originally Posted by Sneaky Pete

Nobody said anything about real or fake pros.

It's great that you don't lie about your results.

GOOD JOB!

shrug, sounds like you lie about your results to yourself and now ur getting upset?

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12-18-2015 , 03:06 PM

#12179

Sneaky Pete

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Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 353

Why would I be upset?

It would seem that such distinction has more effect on you, enough so that you brought it up using yourself as comparison.

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12-18-2015 , 03:11 PM

#12180

eldiesel

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Originally Posted by t_roy

Don't think so, but possible. Miller's strat in the Vegas games is to basically hit the nuts and get paid, or take a ton of pots away from Vegas nits when they cap their ranges. I can see how this range is in line with that general strat. Again, Vegas is special.

How much more to poker is there regardless of location?

Unless you're saying he's saying he can't do both, it's one or the other.

I don't know why you can't do both though.

Win the max. when you have the best hand against a strong 2nd best hand.
Lose the min. when you have a strong 2nd best hand against a better hand.
Win pots when no one in the hand has anything.

Those are the tent poles of winning at poker.

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12-18-2015 , 03:12 PM

#12181

Garick

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SP and HLB, let's just stop this impending micturation competition in its tracks.

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12-18-2015 , 03:21 PM

#12182

Sneaky Pete

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Originally Posted by eldiesel

Agreed.

If you took examples in Miller's book in their literal meaning, you're missing a ton of value.

Range provided in the book should be used as a baseline and readers are to adjust in accordance to game condition.

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12-19-2015 , 03:50 AM

#12183

t_roy

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Originally Posted by eldiesel

Sure, he just advocates it to an extreme in the vegas games. He wants to hit the nuts and hope to cooler or blow people out with over bets. From what i've heard, you're typically not able to get a ton of value with med strength top pair hand like you are at maryland live. This could lead me to play hands that can hit the nuts or nothing. Basically, if you don't have the nuts you're gonna end up bluffing. Based on squid, it seems like it's all bull **** from miller though.

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12-19-2015 , 03:53 AM

#12184

feel wrath

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Originally Posted by kookiemonster

Me too. I guess I make $20-$40/hr worth of obvious, correctable mistakes @ a $1/2 $500max level.

How much am I leaving behind at $2/5? $5/10?

What about all of the small edges I don't yet see with my current skill level?

It is a sobering thought.

The scariest thing about getting better at poker is that you know enough to realise how bad you still are

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12-19-2015 , 10:04 AM

#12185

DeathCabForTootie

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Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 5,722

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Originally Posted by feel wrath

The scariest thing about getting better at poker is that you know enough to realise how bad you still are

QFT

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12-19-2015 , 10:49 AM

#12186

zoltan

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Originally Posted by feel wrath

The scariest thing about getting better at poker is that you know enough to realise how bad you still are

All the more reason to stop trying to get better.

The more you know. Jpg

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12-19-2015 , 11:12 AM

#12187

suited fours

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Originally Posted by zoltan

All the more reason to stop trying to get better.

The more you know. Jpg

QFT?

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12-19-2015 , 04:54 PM

#12188

de4df1sh

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Quoted for truth

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12-19-2015 , 04:54 PM

#12189

de4df1sh

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Or in this case maybe: quoted for troll

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12-19-2015 , 06:14 PM

#12190

eldiesel

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Originally Posted by t_roy

From what i've heard, you're typically not able to get a ton of value with med strength top pair hand like you are at maryland live.

That's not a geographic thing, it's a new vs old thing. I guess they're related. Maryland doesn't have pros living there yet, LV is saturated with pros and decent rec players. If there's an opportunity for profit people will enter the market until it goes from everybody profiting to everyone breaking even, and then the entrance into the market will stop. There hasn't been enough time for people to enter in ML yet.

I don't particularly like Miller's articles, but I hear guys categorized as winning a ton of small pots or winning a few big pots. It is possible to do both.

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12-19-2015 , 06:49 PM

#12191

YGOchamp

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I've been figuring out soft casinos I could visit for a few weeks to scope out somewhere to move to for at least a couple months. I just took a trip to Vegas and it was pretty good but there are def a ton of grinders.

So ML would be a suggested place to check out I suppose

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12-20-2015 , 07:01 PM

#12192

ZuneIt

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Originally Posted by YGOchamp

Where are U playin' now? If it's not so soft, I don't want to make the mistake of going outta' my way to visit. Thanks.

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12-20-2015 , 09:17 PM

#12193

suited fours

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Originally Posted by eldiesel

Maryland doesn't have pros living there yet.

Are you drinking or smoking?

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12-20-2015 , 09:22 PM

#12194

YGOchamp

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Originally Posted by ZuneIt

Where are U playin' now? If it's not so soft, I don't want to make the mistake of going outta' my way to visit. Thanks.

Its a pretty soft area but we only have 2/5 or 5/10 games running 2-3 times a week. I'm burnt out on grinding 1/3 but I need to put in more hours.

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12-21-2015 , 01:30 AM

#12195

t_roy

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Originally Posted by eldiesel

Not sure this is fully true. Based on what I've heard from other areas, MDL isn't abnormal at this point (first year it was). I think Vegas is the real exception. It became a place for poker enthusiasts to go, and just created a total nit fest. Also cost of living and rake is cheaper than maybe any other major poker market. Makes things more pro infested as you don't need to win as much to stay afloat.

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12-21-2015 , 02:08 AM

#12196

kekeeke

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Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,306

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Originally Posted by t_roy

And rakeback.
Youre basically freerolling food.

YGO I feel you. Good luck in your decision

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12-21-2015 , 08:35 PM

#12197

Pipedreamer101

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 348

Hi guys just started playing live full time $2/$5 this past week. I Have been playing (seriously) 100hrs per month for the past 4 months and this is something I've wanted to do for some time now. Just wanted to post my graph/stats to get some feedback on how sustainable my w/r is and/or what should I be aiming for. Appreciate all replies thanks in advance!

Note: the first graph/stats is a mixture of $1/$2 home games $2/$3 casino & 2$/$5. The second graph/stats is solely $2/$5.

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12-21-2015 , 08:45 PM

#12198

daniel9861

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^ Other players at the same limits have sustained similar winrates over large sample sizes but your sample size size is too small to know whether or not your winrates are sustainable for you. You'll probably need around 1k hours minimum to get a rough idea of your own winrate. Gl

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12-21-2015 , 08:48 PM

#12199

johnny_on_the_spot

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Originally Posted by Pipedreamer101

55/hour isn't outlandish, but be honest with yourself, are you one of the best players in the room? Are you consistently the best or maybe 2nd best player at the table? If yes, there is a chance that could be sustainable. If no, then maybe you're just on a heater and will slow down eventually. Regardless, it's a couple of nice graphs, so congrats.

Out of curiosity, what app is that, I like the look of it. How do you find the interface? Would you recommend it?

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12-21-2015 , 08:55 PM

#12200

Pipedreamer101

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Without much table selection (there's only ever 2/3 tables of $2/$5 running during weekdays) I'm easily top a 3 player in any given line up. The app is called "Run Good" it's for iPhone only though... I definitely recommend it! It has some really good features and the graph/stats layout are very clear and easy to understand.

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