As much as impact of certain players that may have on your WR.

If difference in player types have no impact on your WR, then table selection is nullified.

Tiger Woods, when he was in his prime, won an unprecedented percentage of the tournaments he entered throughout the year. He was extremely vigilant in picking those tournaments that were played on courses that best fit his game.

That was, however, not the primary reason he won as often as he did. The selection process was far from the front seat of the primary reason he won so often.

The primary purpose of game selection for him, IMO, revolved around being in top form for the Majors and not burning himself out.

The thousands of hours of practice & study put him a position of being able to be very selective, thus maximizing the +Ev of his hard work.

I agree with chip here and will say that most grinders I know stop recording results during downswings, which gives them inflated win rates

In my experience, 1/3 in rooms where 1/2 runs is the worst game to play in. They tend to be full of nitty casino regular types bc all the fish want to play as small as possible or they want to play 2/5 or bigger. I would love to play in any 1/3 game short handed and with deep stacks since most of these guys are 1/2 grinders who are under rolled for 2/5 and who don't know what to do when they don't flop the nuts, but long handed 1/3 is just an awful tagfest.

That's also been my experience in rooms that run both $1/2 and $1/3. The $1/3 is a waste of time. Now if you're comparing two different rooms, one with $1/2 and one with $1/3 ... the $1/3 seems to generally be better because of the deeper buy-ins.

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Interesting about you guys's game. The bigger game have had the opposite effects on mine.

My area only has 1/2 but it has a bigger game running about once a week (1-3-6) and a bigger, private 1-2-5-10 once a month.

The 5-10 is a dreamworld every time and so is the 1-3-6 about half the time, but when the bigger game runs, the 1-2 is dead, complete waste of time, I probably don't even beat those 1-2 tbh, I'm really good at getting value and not really good with bluffing and I'm not used to people folding TP much and don't ever expect it.

Too big of a nit to get into that 5-10 Whatever, some guy putting up the connection to run it deserves his huge fish tank I guess.

Casino I play has 1/2, 1/3, 2/5, 5/T. I tend to find the $1/2 games to be too tight, OMCs and people who play to not lose tend be found here(check/call down with non nut monsters). $1/3 is the fishier game and $2/5 has more people trying to win and more wealthy guys whose ego would never let them be playing at the bottom of the totem pole stakes, and while they may be more poker competent, they will be likely to gamble and make mistakes.

Well put.

Unless you're a crusher at 2-5, table selecting between 1-2 and 2-5 is a great way to go I think. A huge percentage of 2-5 regs wouldn't be caught dead in a 1-2 game.

then the grinders you know arent really grinders at all. thats pretty laughable, obfuscating results. you are only cheating yourself

Most people use WR as some sort of self-assurance. Makes a lot of sense actually.

How often do people lie to themselves every day?

Me too. I guess I make $20-$40/hr worth of obvious, correctable mistakes @ a $1/2 $500max level.

How much am I leaving behind at $2/5? $5/10?

What about all of the small edges I don't yet see with my current skill level?

It is a sobering thought.

Sure some people do, but most real "pros" would not lie to themselves about their WR.

I've logged over 3000 hours of live poker through pokerjournal, and not once have I ever entered a false session or ommitted results.

Nobody said anything about real or fake pros.

It's great that you don't lie about your results.

GOOD JOB!

The only thing I did once was to not update my phone for a few weeks because I felt seeing red was affecting me.

After it had turned around a little I went back and entered all the info to catch back up.

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That's an insanely high number. Keep in mind that making a bad $100 call doesn't lose you $100 of EV. May only lose you $20.

I disagree. That number is achievable.

$500 max makes the game very attractive.

Really? I have played 6000 hours live and have gotten 250bb in exactly once. I've gotten 200bb in maybe half a dozen times. I've gotten 150bb in more times than I could possibly keep track of. That seems to be the sweet spot in my game. (Of course, that is the max buy in, too, so...). I have a hard time wrapping my head around the idea of a game in which having 250bb on the table would matter.

Oh sorry, I read that wrong.

I thought it was WR.

FWIW, bb doesn't matter to our opponents, dollar amount does.

If average BI is $300+ in the game, winning at that WR doesn't seem all that difficult to me.

And this.

Ditto! However, on my session logger, when you close out a session & it records results, it doesn't take you to the session list that shows 5 out of 7 sessions being a loss. Also the screen it shows when you go to start a new session, shows the dates of the last 5 sessions, but not the results.

The secret, I find, to not having to even think about deleting, or altering my true results, is not give specifics to friends when they ask how your runnin' this month........... "I may have to eat tuna helper 4 days a week next month" is the kinda' answer I give. Or just "I've been bleedin' a lot more this month than usual." Or."Minimum wage at Wal-Mart is lookin' kinda' good right now." It's not any of their business anyways.

Anyways, I try not to even look at the WR during the month. If I'm doin' real good & know my WR on the 20th is double the average over the last 9 months, I found myself thinkin' about how nice it would be to close out the month with that rate & it seeps into my thought process during the session. So I had to do something to eliminate that.

I get the feeling that 'The Course' was a response to the brain-dead reviews his previous books got.

Smart business sense at least.

I would guess Parx 2-5 winning players ($1000 max, lots of people buy in for the max) get 200bb in WAY more frequently than once per 1000 hours. I haven't played that game enough to put a firm number on it, but I'd think 1 per 1000 not even close.

Higher max buyin games often come with higher mins. 1-2 with $100-$500 is going to have many more 100bb+ stacks than 1-2 with $60-$200. At $60-$200 you've got to table select like crazy and in some venues, there may not be a decent game in the room.

Also, I suspect that having 250bb+ on the table matters because of pot commitment and leveraging implications on the turn, but I don't have the deepstack experience to comment further on that.