It's fun to say that but great poker players go broke all the time. There aren't stakes high enough to compensate for overspending.

this is very true and it's the same in a lot of industries. In my business, I come across a load of executives who have been earning really good $$ for many years. All of a sudden, they lose their job and can't find another one because they are too old/too expensive/not good enough to command the $$ they were on previously etc etc and a lot of them are ****ed because they haven't been putting enough $$ away and have been spending like drunken sailors on shore leave

spending less than you earn at whatever income level you're at is super important. of course it's far easier if you're earning 250k than it is if you're earning 25k, but the principle is the same and so you have to aim for a $$ buffer in case things go bad and ensure you don't get yourself used to a lifestyle that is only available in your best case scenario

Just out of curiosity, if you can't save 3 cents of every dollar of income, where did your poker bankroll come from?

Found a kg of fish scale at a bus stop

This might be my new favorite poker quote

Politard warning. Discussing finances fine. Discussing how finances should be for everyone, not fine.

What about discussing the proper ratio of finances spent on hookers vs. blow?

Nobody is ever under any obligation to spend more or less time at the table then they want because other players consider it poor etiquette.

Anyway, I took a few more shots at 5/10 and 2/5. Lost another bullet at 5/10 2nd session, then in my 3rd session last week I bought in for $700 ran it up to 3k, then 5 handed lost 2k set over set. Still ended up +$300 despite the gross cooler.

The next day I had a $1400 day at 1/2, winning 2 huge pots with a set. If any of you read the thread I posted about my other huge set over set pot I lost, then this one makes me even more sick because I think I could have folded again and it made me so paranoid the next day.

1st one, I open to $9 in EP with 77, utg+3 minraises to $20, +4 flats the $20, sb flats.
Flop comes 7-8-10 rainbow. I check, utg+3 leads for $30, utg+4 minraises to $60, sb folds and I shove for ~$200.
He snapcalls me and my instant reaction is "****, do you really have tens??". You know, because my shove looks really strong and I didn't expect to get snapped by T-9 or JJ. He had aces.

Next one I squeeze in sb straddled pots with TT for $30. UTG calls and BTN calls.
J-T-6 flop, two clubs. Lead flop for $60, both call. Lead brick turn for $180, UTG who is an older and pretty tight player INSTAshoves for $350. BTN calls off remaining $100
and I puke and say "Jesus christ you must have jacks"... you know, because I thought he was tight and I'm repping like KK+ here? Well, he had queens. (I called of course)

Anyway, I can tell when I'm playing 5/10 that I'm not really playing my A game that I am at 1/2. Value betting thin... checkraising wider ranges, 3betting light, etc. I do have 30 buy-ins but the money does kinda matter at that point whereas 1/2 just feels like chips to me. I might just stick to 1/2 and wait till I can transition into 2/5 once I turn 21 and can play at different casinos.

If you don't have 3 to 6 months of living expenses saved up then you really aren't making ends meet and certainly shouldn't be spending money on any extras/entertainment until you have saved this up.

That's enough. Posts deleted, and one that was insulting infracted. Further politarding ITT will get infracted, even if it isn't insulting.

Going straight to 5/10 after 1-2 is sick, waiting until you can transition to 2/5 then maybe 5/10 is the best route imo, poker will always be there.

How old are you?

This is a bad attitude to have. Especially if youre playing juicy home games. Your job as a pro is to facilitate a fun gambling environment. Hit and running or leaving shortly after a big pot is bad in the long run. The fish need hope so they come back.

Dont destroy their hope!

I guess in casinos this is not as important as home games but the same principle remains.

If u win a big pot and have a big chunk of your roll on the table and cant.risk playing more...just fold every hand blind for thirty minutes but remain chummy with your customers.

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So I just got done with a week of grinding 1/2 in Vegas. Ran at $20.86 per hour over 70 hours. People who play there for a living, help me understand. I ran into a lot of regulars who were in the poker room what seemed to be 24/7, all of whom were terrible. Many just played on their tablets all session. I have to imagine though that some of these players, especially the younger ones were playing for a living. Are these guys actually beating the game for a livable wage or is it just a matter of time before they're busted for good?

I always thought the younger ones were the ones with jobs just no hobby besides poker and the old guys were retired and pension/SS/poker were the only ways their money moved.

The idea that some regulars were losing players completely eluded me when I first started playing poker, but it is most certainly the case. It is the case at all levels, not just 1/2. In fact, many bigger games revolve around a few losing regulars.

The crazy thing is that some of these regulars are seemingly "grinding" with their headphones on and their face in their tablet while they wait for Aces but even many of these nitty players are still losing players (or very marginal winners).

If the bulk of your table was made up with these type players, how in the hell did you manage a $20+ win rate?

Sorry gents, im sure this has probably been repeated to death!

Im living in the UK and Only have £1k roll atm so want to play 1/1 or 50/1, can reload probs £400 each month from day job, looking for general advice.

The 1/1 games i can get to by train (Dusk till dawn, Leeds, Manchester arent that often 24 hours games, spesh during weekdays (sometimes not even 8-12 hours) when I can play my bulk volume as working all weekend. Would need to stay at hotel if I went DTD for example too.

Can travel to London where 1/2 runs 24hours and can stay at a fellow grinders flat. But obvs gonna have a hyper small roll.

Was winning £16/hour over 300 hours at 1/1 last year in games in portsmouth and southampton if it makes any difference, ive since relocated.

Any advice is appreciated, thanks!

whats the rake structure, buy in structure and beatability of these games? whats a room gonna cost?

They're not beating the game for a livable wage. They're living in a grindhouseloft with four other guys and eating ramen for all the meals they don't get comped. And perhaps running good too.

does anyone know any of these grindhouses that I can move into?

can contribute 2bb/hr.

Also, is it a reasonable investment to purchase a grindhouse and rent?

Bananas are pretty cheap too. New diet....ramen and bananas.

I'm Midlands based, probably able to give best advic for you hereby, pm me.

I never said the bulk of my table was made of these players. I said I ran into a lot of them, as in I saw them in the room. If my table was full of them I would table change or casino change. I ran terribly EV wise on the trip, especially yesterday but ran into three fish who saved me. Two hilarious hands that explain this:

1. V is old Hispanic man who calls flop with air/weak pairs and raises turn with his holdings. He just won a 600 pot where he had 99 vs A3 on an A933x board. He has about 1000 in front of him and is not done stacking chips from the last hand. Eff stacks - 350

Everyone limps I check in the bb with Td9d. Flop is 953dxx. I bet 5, only old man calls. Turn is 3x I bet 15, old man raises to 45, I call. River is 9. I check, v goes all in. I call and he says "Do you have a 9? Flips over K5o.

2. V is from Dallas. Will call up to 20 with ATC preflop after he has limped in. Got it all in preflop with QhTh and sucked out on AK. Then built a stack. About 2 hands ago shoved all in over a cbet into a $70 pot. Eff stacks 500.

Limps to me in sb, complete with Jh7h. Flop is 752hxx. I check, v bets 10, 2 callers, I consider folding, because I feel like I'll rarely be good by the river against 3 players but feel like these guys are too bad to fold this deep. Turn is a J. I check, v bets 20, one call, I raise to 100. V shoves, I call. River 4. V shows J6o.

I play with the same regs literally every session and I would say 90% of them are losing players, and yet they always come back.

It's quite interesting that people's view is so completely black and white that if you do anything "fishy," they simply discredit you from being a good player.

I always hear "Dickie, you would be a much better player if you don't do this and that."

Don't let Kali Muscle hear you guys talk bad about Top Ramen.

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