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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.76%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 8.11%
5-7.5
7 9.46%
7.5-10
15 20.27%
10+
24 32.43%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
17 22.97%

03-26-2014 , 02:39 PM
"On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog."
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03-26-2014 , 02:48 PM
I am not nitpicking his claimed stats, only his illogical implications.

It is the same thing that I do in strategy discussions: look for logic and try to make sense of it, and when it doesn't make sense, point it out for discussion.
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03-26-2014 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by HappyLuckBox
I meant any strip game. I dont play in vegas normally so i cant say where is best
If you don't play at any Vegas casinos then why are you offering insight as to where he should play? With all due respect that doesn't make sense.
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03-26-2014 , 04:25 PM
It'd be a lot more believable if one of the LVL guys went out to RR and played with him and then came back here and said, "this guy crushes like nobody I've ever seen". Because that's basically what his win-rate is implying.
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03-26-2014 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by BradleyT
It'd be a lot more believable if one of the LVL guys went out to RR and played with him and then came back here and said, "this guy crushes like nobody I've ever seen". Because that's basically what his win-rate is implying.
Played with several forum members before. gangip used to be a reg at RR before he moved. Also played with Axel Foley a few times. Played with Jseeley a bunch of times who is like the top winning low-mid stakes reg on UltimatePoker. iSUCK_out crushes at RR but he's more of a lurker here. If someone wants to come play at RR I'll buy them a beer at Yard House.
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03-26-2014 , 05:29 PM
I have played with wj94 at the venetian. we gambooled at 2/5 together

I can say this much - he knows his way around a poker table. I can not verify his w/r at 1/2 and honestly I do not give a shyt either. Fact is he is a real person who plays live poker - he is obviously skilled and is doing something right.

Interesting fact: as a perfessional for quite some time I have found that the dudes that humble up (know where there skill set lies - in other words don't need to pull their dick out and play in the biggest game) seem to last the longest. WJ is stomping the crap out of 1/2 and is pretty happy doing what he is doing. He is playing essentially variance free pokerz to the tune of a very strong w/r that is virtually stress free due to the lack of downward pressure. Sounds like a pretty chill way to crank out a side income

Keep killing it my man.

stop by and say hi next time you are at the v.
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03-26-2014 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by squid face
I have played with wj94 at the venetian. we gambooled at 2/5 together

I can say this much - he knows his way around a poker table. I can not verify his w/r at 1/2 and honestly I do not give a shyt either. Fact is he is a real person who plays live poker - he is obviously skilled and is doing something right.

Interesting fact: as a perfessional for quite some time I have found that the dudes that humble up (know where there skill set lies - in other words don't need to pull their dick out and play in the biggest game) seem to last the longest. WJ is stomping the crap out of 1/2 and is pretty happy doing what he is doing. He is playing essentially variance free pokerz to the tune of a very strong w/r that is virtually stress free due to the lack of downward pressure. Sounds like a pretty chill way to crank out a side income

Keep killing it my man.

stop by and say hi next time you are at the v.
+1

This character assassination on wj was making me cringe.
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03-26-2014 , 07:04 PM
wj94 plays at RR, and I would bet he crushes. I can't vouch for his w/r. I don't watch him like a hawk or keep track of his stats but he is clearly a winner and 1 of the better and more feared 1/2 players from listening to the reg fish banter.

wj we've played together, you know who I am. I play quite a bit at RR and my 1-2 winrate there is very strong. I play there for the same reasons as him, convenience. It is the closest casino to my house, and it is smack dab between my house and my girls.

There are usually 3-6 1/2 games running which is enough for me.

Also the RR is located in an affluent suburban area of Vegas with a lot of money in that area. A lot of old money too. It is not a small casino. It is probably the biggest casino off the strip and it's actually nicer than some of the strip properties.

There are some large losers that do consistently come back. Also some tougher grinders who are definitely winning players, so everything he says adds up to me.

Looking at bravo right now the V only has 1 more table going than RR. 12 to 11.

So take all of that for what it's worth

Last edited by jsmo0th10; 03-26-2014 at 07:14 PM.
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03-26-2014 , 07:09 PM
Wj: stop doing things other people don't like ldo
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03-26-2014 , 07:15 PM
Did not try to attack anyone, just asked questions because they don't seem to make sense to me.

For example, RR has 11 tables running, but 6 of them are small limit games, which don't really support the notion that there are a lot of big pocket losers.
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03-26-2014 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jsmo0th10
wj94 plays at RR, and I would bet he crushes. I can't vouch for his w/r. I don't watch him like a hawk or keep track of his stats but he is clearly a winner and 1 of the better and more feared 1/2 players from listening to the reg fish banter.

wj we've played together, you know who I am. I play quite a bit at RR and my 1-2 winrate there is very strong. I play there for the same reasons as him, convenience. It is the closest casino to my house, and it is smack dab between my house and my girls.

There are usually 3-6 1/2 games running which is enough for me.

Also the RR is located in an affluent suburban area of Vegas with a lot of money in that area. A lot of old money too. It is not a small casino. It is probably the biggest casino off the strip and it's actually nicer than some of the strip properties.

There are some large losers that do consistently come back. Also some tougher grinders who are definitely winning players, so everything he says adds up to me.

Looking at bravo right now the V only has 1 more table going than RR. 12 to 11.

So take all of that for what it's worth
If you play at RR regularly I'm sure I've played with you before....but not quite sure who you are. PM me?
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03-27-2014 , 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by squid face
Interesting fact: as a perfessional for quite some time I have found that the dudes that humble up (know where there skill set lies - in other words don't need to pull their dick out and play in the biggest game) seem to last the longest.
For me, this is at least one little drop of water in the desert--since you consistently tell people:

1. how hard the poker life is
2. how keeping it up for 30 years is crazytalk (for virtually everyone)
3. how many amazingly winning players you've seen who still end up quitting because they can't handle it
4. that you'll take the time to talk some sense into anyone who goes to Vegas and cares to listen.

Major props for being a long-time player and saying these things. Being realistic is extremely important, and it's amazing that you are so willing to offer your time. It's just nice to know that there are qualities that you note in players who end up lasting...and I have at least *one* of them.

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If you play at RR regularly I'm sure I've played with you before....but not quite sure who you are. PM me?
Or, better yet, tell a confirming story here about a hand that will establish it, without giving away any identities to anyone else. Much more interesting for the thread.

Last edited by corlath; 03-27-2014 at 02:52 AM.
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03-27-2014 , 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by squid face
I have played with wj94 at the venetian. we gambooled at 2/5 together

I can say this much - he knows his way around a poker table. I can not verify his w/r at 1/2 and honestly I do not give a shyt either. Fact is he is a real person who plays live poker - he is obviously skilled and is doing something right.

Interesting fact: as a perfessional for quite some time I have found that the dudes that humble up (know where there skill set lies - in other words don't need to pull their dick out and play in the biggest game) seem to last the longest. WJ is stomping the crap out of 1/2 and is pretty happy doing what he is doing. He is playing essentially variance free pokerz to the tune of a very strong w/r that is virtually stress free due to the lack of downward pressure. Sounds like a pretty chill way to crank out a side income

Keep killing it my man.

stop by and say hi next time you are at the v.
this is pretty much what i'm banking future success on.

i don't care if i'm the best player at the table or if i get bluffed. i'm going to be there to make $ and pay bills.

if i never play higher than $1/$3 the rest of my life, my ego isn't going to be bruised.

will i play higher? probably at some point i will at least sit at another $2/$5 game. but first i want to win $ and be able to pay all my bills, take a vacation and buy nice things for people i want to
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03-27-2014 , 03:41 AM
Things I remember from playing with WJ at RR:

1. One of the loud regs immediately commented on his presence when he sat down. Something to the effect of, "Don't give this guy any action. He shouldn't be playing in a game with civilians."

2. His first hand he raised J8dd, turned a flush and got a middle aged Asian player to stack off for 130bbs.

3. He overlimped/3b from MP against a button raise once. Button folded but middle aged Asian player from above hand called from BB and flopped an NFD.

4. In general was a more aggressive player than one normally encounters at 1/2. I think the regs tend to see him as crazy/without a fold button even though he can actually make lay downs.

5. Wore a t shirt that referred to skateboarding. Possible that some older regs at RR get tilted by this and his black headphones.
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03-27-2014 , 03:43 AM
Lol old people always tilted by skateboarders

And cops too
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03-27-2014 , 03:50 AM
Other thing I'd say regarding RR: it can be nittiness/spewfest depending on the time of day. And depending on who is temp banned. They have a few trust fund types who are really bad aggressive players that tend to come out at night.
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03-27-2014 , 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by IbelieveinChipKelly
if i never play higher than $1/$3 the rest of my life, my ego isn't going to be bruised.
^ This. Although I wouldn't say that I'm *banking* success on humility alone--it is clearly only one of many qualities necessary to be successful at poker. But I'm definitely humble. I have no desire to move up in stakes unless I feel like I can already crush 1/2 and 1/3 in a variety of environments for at least 30 hours a week, and I am far from that goal.

And the "baller" lifestyle really doesn't appeal to me. Just seems like a waste of money, as nice as it looks.
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03-27-2014 , 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Axel Foley
Things I remember from playing with WJ at RR:

1. One of the loud regs immediately commented on his presence when he sat down. Something to the effect of, "Don't give this guy any action. He shouldn't be playing in a game with civilians."
lol, that would be Ken
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03-27-2014 , 06:12 AM
I wish I had downloaded a better poker app, but I'm not paying for two.

Played a lot more then last year so far, but still only at ~110 hours this year. Play has been split about 60% 1/2, 30% 2/5 and 10% 1/2 PLO (we either have a mandatory straddle or a $5 bring in). All of these games are able to be bought in for 200bb deep and almost every reg does.

I had a pretty awful week at 2/5 being card dead and not getting any good spots vs the whales, so that's brought my hourly down to $55 for the year between the games.

For this small sample, my hourly splits and overall would be insane if not for how poorly I've run at PLO, in which we regularly have 3+ people join the game deep having no concept how to play PLO and are playing it for their first few handfuls of times. Wouldn't be shocked if I was down something like $3k in all in ev in the last three weeks there.

67/hr at 1/2 over the tiny sample size of 70 hours, 85/hr at 2/5 which I've tried to play as much as possible since I found it it ran last month. Only 30 hours in that game, but it's a great game. The main problem being it never gets going until 9-10 at night with the casino closing at 3. The -65/hr at PLO isn't helping though and the only black spot.

I table select at 1/2 pretty hard, but there is only ever (with rare exception) one table of 2/5 or PLO going, and neither runs every night. I honestly think 20bb is sustainable long term with proper table selection in both of these games, maybe ~40+ for PLO, but I'll never get a proper sample in that game. (Basically follow the after tournament fish as they tilt off even more money).
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03-27-2014 , 11:42 PM
I have about 2 years of poker results in spreadsheet form with just the standard stuff on it, game, location, start/end times, length of session, cash in/out, profit, etc.

Any cool stuff I should do with that data to gain insight into my game? Is standard deviation/other cool statistical metrics something that would actually benefit me?
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03-28-2014 , 12:09 AM
Standard deviation could probably benefit you in estimating what your stop loss should be, if that's an issue.

For example, if your standard deviation is $300, then your stop loss should be $600.
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03-28-2014 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
Standard deviation could probably benefit you in estimating what your stop loss should be, if that's an issue.

For example, if your standard deviation is $300, then your stop loss should be $600.
Can you elaborate how this works? I'm familiar with standard deviation, and I assume you're saying if I'm 2 std devs away from the mean (so a top tenth percentile of runbad) I should put my stop loss there. While I would tend to agree, why not 1.5x std dev?
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03-28-2014 , 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
Standard deviation could probably benefit you in estimating what your stop loss should be, if that's an issue.

For example, if your standard deviation is $300, then your stop loss should be $600.
I've never ever heard this and I'm not sure how it relates? Care to explain?
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03-28-2014 , 09:40 AM
With large enough sample size, you could calculate standard deviation of your session cashout amount and get a pretty reliable idea of your swings.

For example, if your standard deviation is $300/session, that means 95% of all your sessions will fall between -$600 to +$600 range. So if you need a stop loss number, I would consider $600 as the marker, but keep in mind, it is not accounting for all those times where you may have bought in 5x for total of $1000 and won enough back to keep your loss below $600.

However, if you're someone that don't like to leave when you're stuck, and you probably are if you need a stop loss number, then I think a good number would be one just below 2 standard deviations.

Note: it's just my opinion, nothing more. Do feel free to attack it.

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03-28-2014 , 10:13 AM
Not attacking just trying to figure out why you chose that number. I can understand why now.
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