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Old 06-15-2021, 06:07 PM   #25451
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I'd estimate my 1/3 NL game (10% to $8 max + $1 BBJ + typical $1 tip) at approximately 22bb/100.

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Old 06-15-2021, 06:09 PM   #25452
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***

If you are playing with a 10% - $4 cap (standardish in Oregon) then you would likely be paying ~$15/hr in rake, plus tips. So figure after tips we round that to $20/hr. 10BB/hr at 1/2 and 4BB/hr at 2-5. There is a reason 2-5 is so much easier to win at. Yes, the total droolers aren't there, but they usually have small stacks anyway, and beating them and the rake is absurdly hard work for the amount of $$'s you make at 1/2NL.

20bb/100 seems in the ball park though when you think that we often only get ~30 hands/hr. For 1/2NL it could easily be closer to 30BB/100!!
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Old 06-15-2021, 07:44 PM   #25453
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I'm still at $17/hr. over 300 hours in all my 0.25/0.5 home games. That's 20 bb/hr. They're just that soft. (But I don't really play for the money, I play for the good times with friends. I could be making much more in a casino.)
I should add that this game is rake free.
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Old 06-15-2021, 08:45 PM   #25454
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Re: *** Official Winrates, bankrolls, and finances ***

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@ Yeodan

So I quickly went over my stats to see what my best streaks were at my 1/3 NL game.

627 sessions overall (4959.5 hours @ 6.87 bb/hr, 65.7% session winrate)

My record winstreak is 15. Also had one of 10, one of 9, one of 8, and a total of seven of 7.

The most ridiculous part is that the 15 and the 10 and one of the 7s came in a single 35 game span, where I won 7, then lost $12 in a 12 hour session, then booked the 10, then lost 2, then booked the 15. Booked 15.80 bb/hr over 356 hours in that 35 game span.

As for the others:

9 (14.91 bb/hr over 81 hours)
8 (22.51 bb/hr over 64 hours)
7 (17.68 bb/hr over 59 hours)
7 (17.44 bb/hr over 43 hours)
7 (16.59 bb/hr over 57 hours)
7 (11.48 bb/hr over 69 hours)
7 (10.91 bb/hr over 69 hours)
7 (9.61 bb/hr over 35 hours)

I guess the moral of that story is that if you play long enough there is a very good chance that you'll book lots of little lol sample size stretches where you do nothing but print money at a rate that is astronomically higher than your overall expected rate.

Having said that, if you are playing a super casual home game (i.e. just with a bunch of buddies) who are incredibly terrible/inexperienced players and a decent rake, then there is an ok chance you'll do very well in that game. It would be my guess that the average well experienced casino losing player would slaughter any casual home game consisting only of inexperienced buddies.

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What tracking software are you using? Mine just crashed, need something new.....
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Old 06-16-2021, 06:47 AM   #25455
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What tracking software are you using? Mine just crashed, need something new.....
Poker Bankroll Tracker is pretty good & cheap, free version is pretty good too.
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Old 06-16-2021, 07:46 AM   #25456
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What tracking software are you using? Mine just crashed, need something new.....
Excel yo
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Old 06-16-2021, 07:49 AM   #25457
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Excel yo

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Way more functional then any app you’ll ever find for specifically poker tracking
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Old 06-16-2021, 11:20 AM   #25458
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What tracking software are you using? Mine just crashed, need something new.....
I keep my poker results in both Excel and an app called PokerJournal.

I don't think they make/update PokerJournal anymore? Might not even be compatible with newer iPhones (mine is from the dark ages).

For the winstreak stats I posted, I actually collected/computed all the data manually just be looking thru the Excel spreadsheet. Somewhat ez enough to do thanks to my columns regarding running $$$ total and running time total, but still lol @ me ldo for computing this manually (bored at work).

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Old 06-16-2021, 06:00 PM   #25459
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If you are playing with a 10% - $4 cap (standardish in Oregon) then you would likely be paying ~$15/hr in rake, plus tips. So figure after tips we round that to $20/hr. 10BB/hr at 1/2 and 4BB/hr at 2-5. There is a reason 2-5 is so much easier to win at. Yes, the total droolers aren't there, but they usually have small stacks anyway, and beating them and the rake is absurdly hard work for the amount of $$'s you make at 1/2NL.

20bb/100 seems in the ball park though when you think that we often only get ~30 hands/hr. For 1/2NL it could easily be closer to 30BB/100!!
Yeah has to be even worse at 5+2 East Coast rake (even Borgata who was the most take friendly for 2-5 has made the switch) not to mention games like magic city/ Cali that take a drop

Browni- congrats at moving out of micros quickly as yeah micro-rake can be pretty brutal, though for worse, check out micro-pLO rake. Have heard PA was very soft during the pandemic, never got a chance to get up and check it out…just hoping my State (VA) gets around to legalizing it ( we have online sports betting…)
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Old 06-17-2021, 10:31 AM   #25460
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I don't play hold 'em nearly as much as I used to. I stopped studying and started to plateau and ran meh over the last 500+ hours or so, so I switched to the dark side.

I don't know of many published live five-card/PLO5 winrates, so here's mine. Your mileage may vary.

7.5 bb/hr over 1,600 hours in my main game ($1/$2 with $5 bring-in which I count as $5 bb game), closer to 5 bb/hr. in the $5/$5/$15 which I am starting to play more frequently these days (but small sample).



For those who say it's just bingo and impossible to beat. Just sayin'. And my sample includes a fair amount of spew during my downswings/upswings.

I hope more card rooms spread this game, it's so juicy! Will keep hold 'em in the mix for the occasional change of pace. It's just so fun to flop top set and the nut flush draw in the same hand!
Interestingly my local game plays plo5 almost twice as much as holdem £2/£2, but I have no idea how to play other than the basic rules of the game. I am starting to play a little here and there but hate not having a clue
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Old 06-17-2021, 10:38 AM   #25461
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Interestingly my local game plays plo5 almost twice as much as holdem £2/£2, but I have no idea how to play other than the basic rules of the game. I am starting to play a little here and there but hate not having a clue
There's a PLO forum on 2+2 with some basic strategy posts.
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Old 06-17-2021, 01:48 PM   #25462
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I keep my poker results in both Excel and an app called PokerJournal.

I don't think they make/update PokerJournal anymore? Might not even be compatible with newer iPhones (mine is from the dark ages).

For the winstreak stats I posted, I actually collected/computed all the data manually just be looking thru the Excel spreadsheet. Somewhat ez enough to do thanks to my columns regarding running $$$ total and running time total, but still lol @ me ldo for computing this manually (bored at work).

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Telling people you still use PokerJournal is like using Windows 95 as your main OS.

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Old 06-18-2021, 10:50 AM   #25463
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I now have 18 buy ins.
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Old 06-18-2021, 04:05 PM   #25464
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Interestingly my local game plays plo5 almost twice as much as holdem £2/£2, but I have no idea how to play other than the basic rules of the game. I am starting to play a little here and there but hate not having a clue
One of the most action intense games I have ever played was PLO8 with the option to play your 5 cards as a pat hand.
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Old 06-23-2021, 03:26 PM   #25465
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Started grinding 2/3 $200 buyin at a local California casino and up approx $4,900 in the past 48 logged hours. This casino rakes $2 preflop regardless of chop, $3 on the flop, and $2 more if it goes to the turn so most would agree it’s unbeatable. I definitely feel the majority players are so bad that you can still milk a solid 10bb+ hourly in these high raked games. I would do things I wouldn’t do in 5/5 games like bet $20-$30 all 3 streets for value and get called all the way by marginal hands.

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Old 06-23-2021, 03:55 PM   #25466
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Nice start!

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Old 06-23-2021, 04:26 PM   #25467
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Started grinding 2/3 $200 buyin at a local California casino and up approx $4,900 in the past 48 logged hours. This casino rakes $2 preflop regardless of chop, $3 on the flop, and $2 more if it goes to the turn so most would agree it’s unbeatable. I definitely feel the majority players are so bad that you can still milk a solid 10bb+ hourly in these high raked games. I would do things I wouldn’t do in 5/5 games like bet $20-$30 all 3 streets for value and get called all the way by marginal hands.
that is a rough game setup but congrats on the start.
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Old 06-24-2021, 08:35 AM   #25468
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Being up 14 BI's over 50 hours probably means the game is very beatable

Preflop rake is weird though, guess you're rewarded even more for playing TAG.
$7 cap is actually not bad
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Old 06-24-2021, 07:38 PM   #25469
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Just had a crazy evening.

Went to a home game, 6 players in front of me buy in for €1000, I'm like: "uh, I wanted to play for €200"
Almost went back home, but everyone seemed ok with it, some of the €1000 stacks pocketed most of it as well.

Few hours later I'm sitting there with €1400 in front of me, time to go home!

Bankroll is now over €6000, build up from only €3500 at the start of the month.
Playing 1/1 exclusively, except for this game which was 2/2

I've played 9 sessions this month (and this year, since everything just opened up again)
50 hours total, €58.8/h
Only had 1 losing session, probably because I went home early after losing my 1st buy-in

I'm at 90 hours total tracked now, still feeling like a total newbie
45/h though, so pretty happy so far and pretty sure I'm at least a 15-20/h winner over the longer term.
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Old 06-25-2021, 11:57 AM   #25470
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Nice start!

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Old 06-25-2021, 12:14 PM   #25471
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Great results!

They mean literally nothing from a long term standpoint tho, and def do not mean your a 15bb+/hour winner.
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Old 06-27-2021, 08:37 AM   #25472
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Confusing variance calculator results

I ran a variance calculator based on a previous live sample (a small sample, that is, but it's what I got).

I ran the calculator for approximately a month of play, 8 hours a day.
"Minimum bankroll required for less than 5% risk of ruin" was 394BB.

How does this make sense? 2 Buy ins minimum for playing 6K hands?
Can anyone explain what solid conclusions I can make from this? regarding my next poker trip.
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Old 06-27-2021, 09:18 AM   #25473
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Seems to me the calculator is pretty straightforward. It tells you that you are going to lose money 2% of the time and that if you want less than 5% chance of going bust, you need 394BB.

A $2k br for a 2/5 game doesn't see much, quite the opposite.
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Old 06-27-2021, 10:05 AM   #25474
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Seems to me the calculator is pretty straightforward. It tells you that you are going to lose money 2% of the time and that if you want less than 5% chance of going bust, you need 394BB.

A $2k br for a 2/5 game doesn't see much, quite the opposite.
Then I can go play this level with a Bankroll of 4 buy ins and expect to make the said expected winnings (with the deviation of course) without going broke 95% of the times?

What's the point of the 20 buy in rule then?
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Old 06-27-2021, 10:19 AM   #25475
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A $2k br for a 2/5 game doesn't see much, quite the opposite.
I think that's his point. It is way too small a BR. The variance calculator seems not to be playing NL. In particular, when looking at the screenshot, it seems to be convinced that you could never have a 1K hand stretch in which you lose more than about 550BBs, which is patently ridiculous.

I'd try a different variance calculator.
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