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Only you can answer that. Why do you play?

based on the previous paragraph, i'm not sure bolded means what you think it means.

doubling up and leaving - not ideal, but not particularly scummy. you may get a rep for doing it, but again, people don't know your situation. it's completely plausible that you do have to leave and only come to play for short sessions

doubling up and taking money off the table to your pocket but continuing to play (ie, going south) - extremely scummy and probably considered cheating in most, if not every, room

Only you can answer the question of what winrate is good enough or what skills you *need*. Because it depends on your own goals and reasons for playing.

If you're just looking to have fun and make some extra scratch then there's no reason to grind it out for long sessions playing deep. Play a few hours, take a meal break and come back at a stack depth you're comfortable with.

If you're trying to play for a living then you'll want to expand your skillset to play better deep. And to play better over longer sessions.

One workaround to going south (flat out cheating in most rooms) / leaving the poker room (or at least for the poker room allotted time before you are allowed to BI again) is to simply move to a table that is playing shorter. So yeah you'll be sitting 200bbs+ deep or whatever, but some tables have (most) everyone else sitting at 60bbs or whatever (where now you are back to shorter stack play in spite of sitting with a monster stack).

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The SoFla rooms I've played at force you to come down to max if you table change, so that's a legal way of going south. If your table breaks you have the option to keep your stack.

There's a 1 hour rule but it only applies to the table you were previously at, not the whole room.

LOL I didn't see it!!!

So for live poker I was wondering what some of the best 2/5 long term win rates were.

Mine is mixed between 1/3 - 2/5 and PLO so it's gonna be hard to figure out.

I would think anything north of $50 an hour is pretty solid for 2/5 - and north of $70 is crushing.

Anyone have $100+ an hour? I've seen one player have this for a 3000 hour sample, but he played pretty crazy, and a lot of his moves worked from my experience.

I would think anyone at $100/hour over 500 hours would move up or at least take shots higher, so it's going to be really tough to see that for a sustained sample anyplace where 2/5 is not the biggest game in the room.

Also, I think $100/hour might've been much more achievable a decade ago, probably unrealistic most places these days unless you're aggressively fish-targeting, playing only Friday/Saturdays, and so on.

I would bum hunt / fish target but the room won’t let me play against myself.

Ya the games are getting slightly tougher. I made north of $50/hr for 4000 hours and this year I’m at $80 an hour which isn’t terrible. You do need to table change though which I’m not great at doing. I need to work more on that as I do sometimes get stuck at some lousy tables.

I haven't heard of anybody with an $80/h winrate over a significant sample. $50/h is crushing IMO. Maybe if the game has a deep buyin and plays with frequent straddles it's possible, but then it would be closer to a 5|T.

$100/h I wouldn't believe without seeing it. That's utterly insane if it's a public game. Of course in private games with the right group of people obscene winrates could be possible.

Private games with bad players the ultra high winrate is possible, but hard to do that with a lot of volume because you got to play the game in a way that gets you invited back. Also there's only so much money you can take from a small pool of people.

$1000 cap 2/5 games. The players aren’t great. It’s a mix of regs and donks. I’ve traveled around and most 2/5 games are pretty soft. A lot of Argentine players were 60+ an hour. They were really good.


I went through 500 hours where my win rate was under $15 an hour. Prolly worst I’ve ever ran. But the last 4000 hours have been pretty good

I made a larger post, and it was moved to the Poker Goals and Challenges section. But I wanted to share my first 1k hrs results here too. This covers about 3 yrs of recreational play with several long breaks. I played on average once a week, until about 3-4 months ago when I started to play more full time since COVID landed me in the unemployment department.

Unfortunately, my card rooms are on a COVID break so it looks like this will wrap it up for this year as well. Here is the break down by game:

1-2NL $500max: +$15,407 over 493hrs for $31.25/hr

1-3NL $300max: +$9,867 over 312hrs for $31.63/hr

2-5NL $1,000max: +$8,300 over 203hrs for $40.89/hr


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Thankfully, I've had only one protracted down swing; almost $6k, and it all happened at 1-2NL. That was rough, but I took a long break at the end of that and came back better for it.

You could consider traveling - I know a lot of pros that have. I think USA is going into lock down again - especially with the Biden win. You have decent results - pretty similar to mine when I first started. To get a better win rate you're gonna need to master bet sizes. Figure out what you think they have and bet the amount they will call. I've even bet $10 on the river into a $200 pot because I figured they were weak on a A7TJ4 board. They called me with 79. $10 is better than no dollars. At least half the players at 2/5 will play the correct pre-flop ranges but will make mistakes post flop. I make mistakes all the time, but not enough to wreck my win rate.

Thanks. I have a family and am geographically restricted. Besides, I'm not aiming to play full time. I am finishing a degree and plan on playing once a week for fun/extra cash once I am working. Just trying to get through the COVID time and kinda been counting on poker money since I'm not getting enough unemployment to make it in the meantime.

Appreciate the kind words though.

Nice results blue spade. A $6k downswing in 1/2 would drive me bonkers, major respect for toughing that out.

Edit: My $4100 downswing at 1/3 got me thinking about hanging it up for good but I've gone a massive heater that's put me at $25/hr ish overall so I'm feeling better.

2k bb+ downswing are no joke.

posted in your other thread also but very nice results

Thanks for the kind words. Thankfully it was the only real losing streak I've had. It was pretty demoralizing for sure. I took several months off poker as a result. In hindsight I was definitely off my A game by the end of the streak and probably on my C game fairly often. It can be ridiculously hard to think straight after your 10th beat down in a row.

I think I was playing about 2 times per week then, and went 2 months without a winning session. I hope that never happens again!

Thanks to everyone for the nice words, and good wishes . Good luck at the tables!

Awesome results BlueSpade!

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So in 2020, I did something for the very first time in my 15 years of recording my recreational poker results:

I lost money.

I got in a whole 12 sessions / 105.25 hours of 1/3 NL in 2020. My last session was on March 8, 2020, just before all our local casinos closed (and they have yet to reopen).

Overall, I lost $1.

For an hourly winrate in 2020 of -$0.01 / hour.

ONE ****ING DOLLAR.

GOD. DAMMIT.



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GG, I'll play you HU online until you win a dollar from me (or I bust you) if you'd like.

Lol, thanks G!

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I was making $$ live for the 1st time in a while before the shutdown.

Funny that that $1 loss is merely a pie-in-the-sky aspiration for the majority of poker players (and vast majority of real 'gamblers')

Thought i'd make a quick post since I finally cracked 1k hours in my database playing part time since 2018.

Hourly ended up being $109

Where I live we still have live poker running 5 handed.

Majority of the volume is at 5/5, though played as high as 10/20/40 during some tourney series.