1/3 NLHE 9 handed.

Table - Early Friday night and almost everyone is loose passive except for a few nit/rocks. Everyone having fun and enjoying themselves. Stacks 200-600$

V - Loose passive MAWG. Losing player. Seen him in the room and played a bit with him. He's not a station but is much too wide pre and post. He also clicks buttons and has been shown to be out of line. Recently 3-bet A3o OOP pre and cbet flop with A-high and showed the bluff. He just gets bored of folding I think. He limps a lot and VPIPs about 80% pre. His range is linear in that, from weakest to strongest hands ---> limp/fold < limp/call < cold call < open/RFI <<< 3-bet preflop. As in, he's not the kind of guy to limp KK or AA. He would open or raise those hands. 300$. LJ.

H - flashy kid hitting on the waitress. Covers. SB.

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Hero super-posts from SB after missing his BB, folds to V who limps 3$, folds to H who sees A 7 and opens to 15, V calls. HU OOP.

Flop 30 - J 8 6

H cbets 15 (?), V calls

Turn 60 - Q

H barrels 50 (??), V calls

River 160 - 9

H checks, V bets 50, H x/r AI for V's remaining 170.... (???)

Fold pre, check/fold flop, he has way more Qx,Jx,Tx, and clubs in his range than you do. This looks like literal suicide vs a losing player

"He just gets bored of folding I think."

The waitress said this is spew and she is not impressed.

Seems like you decided to just take off on some random line out of boredom yourself.

This is a complete out of small blind and check down. Villain doesnt like to fold and this board smashes his limp call range.

Go home Banana, you're drunk.

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every street pretty bad but i think flop is the closest to neutral ev in isolation. pre you're not raising big enough to have any fold equity and your hand sucks, flop you're cbetting way too much with a range that doesn't support it, turn is way overdoing it with no real equity and i guess bad blockers, river i think is the worst street. you have 0 sdv when you check and his range to bet the river should be pretty strong once he reopens betting ip so i think this is poor both theory and explo wise. would rather just bet the river all in then do this if you felt compelled to bluff. you usually want to go for river x/r bluffs with hands that have good blockers that have some hope of winning if the hand goes x/x

this feels mean but how can you post a thread asking if theres any actual edge to be gained playing poker or if everyone is just passing money around and then do this? its just randomly spazzing

What's the worst hand he value bets on this river? Maaaaybe QJ? In my games, I see loose passive MAWGs check back with two pair and sets in this spot all the time. This river bet is often going to be a straight or better, and I don't think fish fold those sorts of hands.

Pre-flop I am absolutely pumped to check this hand back and play HU against a weaker player with a deceptively strong hand.

Every street is awful with the you having the wrong cards, wrong board, and wrong villain to do this hogcock play.

Looking back I think the turn action/river check is where this hand doesn't really add up from a hand reading perspective if you're giving villain any credit for thinking and not just "lol straight, I call". Pre raise and 1/2 cbet should show immediate profit in a bubble because his vpip is probably ~50% and while I would bet more with my FD's on this board perhaps from a balance perspective this sizing isn't terrible as I don't think your sizing affects the hands he continues with.

Turn you're repping a hand (QQ,T9,QJ) that wants value and doesn't want to give a cheap river that will potentially complete draws or counterfeit your 2p/set or kill your action. Of course villain should suspect we're semi bluffing here a decent % of the time.

River destroys our turn value rep range yet completes some of our semi bluffs. We should either be betting for value here or check calling with some of our bluff catchers. The check raise makes no sense from any logical perspective I can put on your line.

I don't think your average loose passive player at this level value bets sets/2pairs on this river often at all and I don't see him throwing a $50 bluff out there since he should have some SDV a huge % of the time and most players who don't have flushes are scared of the flush. I think I'd prefer a jam OTR vs this line, but even then you're getting called by straights thinking you're trying to blast them off a chop or suspect you're just bluffing because "you bet so big"

Wow I'm really surprised at these responses. First off, to those saying "fold pre" you're already in for 3$ lol. Thats what a super post is. Secondly, you have A-high. You're ahead of a ton of this guy's limping range. I just simmed it and A7o has 60% equity against a capped 20th-80th percentile range (like I said, this is VPIPing 80%) (44-, A2s, K7s-, Q8s-, J9s-, T2s+, 92s+, 82s+, 72s+, 62s+, 52s+, 43s, A7o-, K9o-, QTo-, J2o+, T4o+, 95o+, 85o+, 76o, 65o). Add to that we have an SPR of 10, plenty of room to maneuver vs a guy we could easily outplay. Only problem is OOP.

Post flop idk... I got FPS I suppose. I thought the 7 was a nice card to have. TX gets there. Clubs get there.

Result:

In theory your play was probably terrible. In reality, if you're playing your live reads, or picked up on some tells, and believed V would over-fold to aggression, it may be a play we can make at a low frequency.

Your line is credible for thick value, so it has that going for it.

The 7c isn't a bad card to have. I'd rather have the Tc, blocking both flushes and higher straights, or the Ac, blocking the nut flush. Having the Ac would make this bluff more profitable, because we can expect V to fold more.

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Yeh, they probably meant don't raise your post.
Also does he limp/call all 80%? How does A7o do vs. the calling range? Do you never have Ax hands in your checking range?
It's just so hard to realize equity well, you'll generally be winning small pots or bluffing in bigger ones.

I'd be fine with A7s, even A9o, but I'd pick a lot of other hands before A7o.

You say you are so confident you can play better post flop, so the raise is fine ... but then you end up firing multiple barrels trying to get the 80% VPIP player to fold when he hits.


I would probably be range checking this flop HU, but it's super hard for you to win with this hand if you do that.

ehh yea okay thanks doc/illit. That makes more sense. I didn't think about his continuing range. I felt like ATo surely has to be a raise and A7o isn't much different - I guess it doesn't make broadway.

I was playing with this LAG the other day - a guy in my room who I view as one of the best players, we were chatting about a hand where he shipped OOP short stack HU with AKo and lost and I said "wow you shovel in there?" and he reminds me how hard it is to make a pair and that HU A-high is often the best hand to the flop. Now, obviously he had top-top no pair so its not a direct comparison, he was also at an SPR of maybe 1 to the flop. It's apart of my game I want to work on as well, HU OOP and turn barrelling and I'm trying to get a feel of what boards and hands I can do it with air or value. I knew the Ac would be nice to have but I felt the wrap around of the 8 and 6 along with the A-high was decent for a cbet. Turn came an overcard Q so thought "well now I can barrel and what does JX do?", so I went thick sizing. Once he called turn I was done with it. So I checked river and then something about his river sizing and vibe just told me he wasn't confident - he seemed uncomfortable and betting the same as the previous street told me this is like some weird JX or maybe a weak Q. So with the 7 I went with it. Maybe it was dumb but that was my thought process.

I don't mind crazy bluffs against regs on occasion. It's good advertising for the future when you get caught; but this river seems like a great card for him.

He's called the whole way on a draw-heavy board and then bets when the draw gets there. Seems like he would have more flushes/straights than two pair hands. I'm not even sure you had enough money behind to get him to fold two pair ($170 raise into a pot of $260?).

I don't mind the preflop raise, but I would raise a little bit larger.

Your JJ v. A2o thread made me remember something I should have included in my earlier response.

When we're going for a check-raise bluff on the river, our hand should have some showdown value, in case V checks back. As7c doesn't really qualify, which is why I said go home in my first response.

You were check-raise bluffing with air. I'd rather just barrel off than make this play, unless we have a very good read on our opponent, and expect him to over-fold.

Whether we barrel or check raise, we should have better blockers in our hand, preferably the Ac, or the Tc.