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View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr
Less than 0 (losing)
5 6.41%
0-2.5
0 0%
2.5-5
6 7.69%
5-7.5
8 10.26%
7.5-10
15 19.23%
10+
26 33.33%
Not enough sample size/I don't know
18 23.08%

08-17-2018 , 06:27 PM
44 Vs AA on 844r board is not 100%...
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08-17-2018 , 08:33 PM
I plan to move to Boston for the opening of Encore, and I've played everywhere, so I can chime in on this when it opens. Any other pros or serious players looking to visit the property?
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08-17-2018 , 08:43 PM
Ill be visiting at some point shortly after it opens. Its scheduled for next June, right? Any excuse to get out of Florida during the summer.
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08-17-2018 , 09:47 PM
Yeah June of next year. It will be during the WSOP so even less grinders will be there for the opening. Should be the nut best games imo....
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08-17-2018 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bodybuilder32
Yeah June of next year. It will be during the WSOP so even less grinders will be there for the opening. Should be the nut best games imo....
I live 2.5 hrs away so will be there lots
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08-18-2018 , 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by bodybuilder32
Yeah June of next year. It will be during the WSOP so even less grinders will be there for the opening. Should be the nut best games imo....
I've dedicated myself to studying and playing more this year.
I finally have, after some years, a reasonable bankroll committed to poker too. Only as not to be swallowed up by you guys when you get here next year.

I've been following you guys a lot on this forum. It would be nice to say hello! I'd especially like to meet squid. Meeting him i guess would be the next best thing to meeting Doyle i guess.

2019 is gonna be a great summer!
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08-18-2018 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
44 Vs AA on 844r board is not 100%...
True. V has a 0.1% chance of running aces.

As far as free equity calcs, I use this one: http://www.propokertools.com/simulations

It's online. No need to download.
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08-18-2018 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
As far as free equity calcs, I use this one: http://www.propokertools.com/simulations
I use the same one, sometimes I wish there was app with same functionality, where you could run o8 and such in 4 way pots. Anyone know of such apps?
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08-18-2018 , 06:48 PM
I use Poker Odds Calculator Pro on Android. It can do multi-way Omaha 8 pots.
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08-18-2018 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by KatoKrazy
I use Poker Odds Calculator Pro on Android. It can do multi-way Omaha 8 pots.
Thanks just got it for 1.50 it seems worth. Especially if it works offline.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk
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08-19-2018 , 03:47 AM
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Originally Posted by squid face
I dont want to get into a pissing contest. You expressed skepticism. I have been around the block when it comes to casino/region openings. I was simply stating that I was willing to stand by what I said with my wallet. It is not rocket science. I know there will be several pros from llsnl going there. We agree on 5 or so that are established winners/posters here and go by what they say. We can hammer out details but it seems simple enough to me
You can't stand by vague or improvable statements with your wallet, however noble that seems. No it isn't "rocket science" (which is just aerospace engineering which is no harder than dozens of other fields), but definitely a complex statistics problem and harder to measure than you seem to think. The subjective assessment of a handful of pros for a month or whatever is not going to be very meaningful (especially if more of them know you than me, which is all but certain). Their actual results will not mean much either. We could inject 100 pros into the room and take their results for a month but...we've altered the environment by injecting 100 pros into the room. Observing long term winrates of local pros who have played lots elsewhere is about the only way to really tell.

I'm not remotely interested in pissing contests I just don't see how the alleged "softness" could be measured in a systematic and consistent manner. Certainly not enough for me to wager money on outcomes falling on a fuzzy spectrum as if the results were binary.
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08-19-2018 , 04:40 AM
You can make the same argument about WSOP cash games but everyone knows these games are softer since you have a bunch of whales splashing around with deep stacks.

You can look at the sample size of winning players winrates going higher to get a clear idea without running a scientific experiment. If the majority of pros say their win rate increased than that should be sufficient.
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08-20-2018 , 07:59 AM
Okay so moving on from all that, I'm wondering how you guys handle being sick.

Do you still play when you're sick? If so how does it affect your winrate?

If you do play sick where do you draw the line? If a fever is high enough to cause delirium obviously it's going to be pretty tough but 100 degrees might affect you more than you think.

If you're like me and sick ridiculously often, at what point am I better off just playing my sick C game, maybe trying to bump it up to a B game, than not playing at all?

Last month I was sick over a week. This month already been sick well over a week and probably will last at least another one. Last time I tried going in I lost 1600 dollars in like 1 hour before realizing I was making idiotic decisions I would normally not have made. When I have even a lowish fever of like 100 to 101 it's a lot like playing on perma-tilt. I can't pay attention to the hands as well, I'm more likely to just call it off if it seems close than actually try to get reads and mathematically evaluate implied odds and such. The boredom is 10x worse. Losing feels worse because I already feel like crap. I even read the board or my hand wrong sometimes.

Basically, historically I tend to spew money when I'm sick. Yet I'm sick on average a LOT and occasionally as long as a month. Went to an urgent care clinic a couple days ago and my current infection is viral so basically nothing to do but wait.

It is really frustrating. I feel like I'm burning money skipping good days but if I go sick I greatly increase my chances of making serious mistakes, which is really burning money.

Also seriously considering playing wearing a surgical mask even when fine. I catch infections way way too easily. I know it'll make me look like a weirdo but better than being sick all the time.
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08-20-2018 , 08:06 AM
Dont go if you're sick.
A) you dont play well as already noted
B) you're getting everyone else sick and that selfish beyond all reason
C) get a "traditional" job that gives you benefits imo
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08-20-2018 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Shai Hulud
Okay so moving on from all that, I'm wondering how you guys handle being sick.

Do you still play when you're sick? If so how does it affect your winrate?

If you do play sick where do you draw the line? If a fever is high enough to cause delirium obviously it's going to be pretty tough but 100 degrees might affect you more than you think.

If you're like me and sick ridiculously often, at what point am I better off just playing my sick C game, maybe trying to bump it up to a B game, than not playing at all?

Last month I was sick over a week. This month already been sick well over a week and probably will last at least another one. Last time I tried going in I lost 1600 dollars in like 1 hour before realizing I was making idiotic decisions I would normally not have made. When I have even a lowish fever of like 100 to 101 it's a lot like playing on perma-tilt. I can't pay attention to the hands as well, I'm more likely to just call it off if it seems close than actually try to get reads and mathematically evaluate implied odds and such. The boredom is 10x worse. Losing feels worse because I already feel like crap. I even read the board or my hand wrong sometimes.

Basically, historically I tend to spew money when I'm sick. Yet I'm sick on average a LOT and occasionally as long as a month. Went to an urgent care clinic a couple days ago and my current infection is viral so basically nothing to do but wait.

It is really frustrating. I feel like I'm burning money skipping good days but if I go sick I greatly increase my chances of making serious mistakes, which is really burning money.

Also seriously considering playing wearing a surgical mask even when fine. I catch infections way way too easily. I know it'll make me look like a weirdo but better than being sick all the time.
Being sick is an incredible opportunity to be productive without putting in hours, guilt free. This is when you can schedule your dog's annual vet visit, and get caught up on your finances and taxes so far this year. Normally pay for a house cleaner? Now you can do it yourself! Feel stressed around the holidays? Now you can get all your family presents done early, wrapped and put away in the closet. Finally get those odds and ends around the house fixed up, and get all those random things lying around everywhere organized. Clean our your closet of all clothes that don't fit/you don't wear and donate them. Apply for those new credit cards you wanted to churn, call grandmom like you totally mean to but get busy, and look for ways to SAVE money instead of making it. Borrow that costco card from a friend and stock up on non-perishables, or finally put those old dvds on craigslist. review your credit cards and make sure those subscriptions you pay for are still worth it, call your cable company and see if you can save some bucks by downgrading ro just asking for a better rate. There are a billion things you can do that are productive, but we put them on the backburner because we earn more by playing poker - i know i can't stand the idea of not being productive. this is YOUR CHANCE, embrace it.

if you get sick 1 month out of the year, your new hourly goal goes from 2k to 1833 (or whatever equivalent). If you needed a 50 dollar hourly for it to be worth this over another job, now its 54.56. you don't work when you're sick, its unprofessional and not an option
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08-20-2018 , 11:21 AM
People who do things like go to work while knowingly sick/contagious should be fair game to get punched in the face.

No one wants your sickness, stay home and recover
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08-20-2018 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
44 Vs AA on 844r board is not 100%...
Agreed, I forgot to mention that I ran out the turn and river as well in the later calculations.
H: 44
V: 44, 88+, AKs
Board: 8443K

Hero equity: 99.4%
Player 2: 0.6%
Calculated hands 50K

I can't get to 100% equity unless I remove 44 from Vs range. You could say this is user error. But IMO it should check for remaining combos each time a hand or board update is made and not allow it if there are not enough combos remaining.
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08-20-2018 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
People who do things like go to work while knowingly sick/contagious should be fair game to get punched in the face.

No one wants your sickness, stay home and recover
+1 While I see your point that it's your livelihood and it sucks to not be able to work, it sucks more to put others and by extension their families at risk.
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08-20-2018 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Shai Hulud
Okay so moving on from all that, I'm wondering how you guys handle being sick.

Do you still play when you're sick? If so how does it affect your winrate?

If you do play sick where do you draw the line? If a fever is high enough to cause delirium obviously it's going to be pretty tough but 100 degrees might affect you more than you think.

If you're like me and sick ridiculously often, at what point am I better off just playing my sick C game, maybe trying to bump it up to a B game, than not playing at all?

Last month I was sick over a week. This month already been sick well over a week and probably will last at least another one. Last time I tried going in I lost 1600 dollars in like 1 hour before realizing I was making idiotic decisions I would normally not have made. When I have even a lowish fever of like 100 to 101 it's a lot like playing on perma-tilt. I can't pay attention to the hands as well, I'm more likely to just call it off if it seems close than actually try to get reads and mathematically evaluate implied odds and such. The boredom is 10x worse. Losing feels worse because I already feel like crap. I even read the board or my hand wrong sometimes.

Basically, historically I tend to spew money when I'm sick. Yet I'm sick on average a LOT and occasionally as long as a month. Went to an urgent care clinic a couple days ago and my current infection is viral so basically nothing to do but wait.

It is really frustrating. I feel like I'm burning money skipping good days but if I go sick I greatly increase my chances of making serious mistakes, which is really burning money.

Also seriously considering playing wearing a surgical mask even when fine. I catch infections way way too easily. I know it'll make me look like a weirdo but better than being sick all the time.
Sir, with all due respect, reread your post. At first I thought maybe you're joking. It's obvious you lose a lot when you play sick. SO DON'T PLAY SICK.PERIOD. It's bad for you and bad for those around you.

Also (respectively) how are we to know enough about you to give you advice on "what level sick can I perform ok at" (paraphrasing).

This is like someone posting "when I drink alcohol I struggle at poker, sometimes losing 1600 in an hour, how much alcohol should I be drinking?" Do you see my point? This is a matter for you to embrace and show some awareness of, not other people to give advice to you about.

An important point for you: If you're sick this often and to this degree, do a personal evaluation of your health habits. Do you eat well? Exercise? What kind of shape are you in? etc. A big part of winning poker(obvious) is good decisions/management of your habits and actions at the poker table. Carry this over to your health habits also. I hope this advice helps you
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08-20-2018 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
People who do things like go to work while knowingly sick/contagious should be fair game to get punched in the face.

No one wants your sickness, stay home and recover
yes to some degree but there's clearly a balance.

Of course if you have a rabidly contagious virus and are going to be making other people really ill then you can't go.

But self employed people don't get paid if they don't work and money is important and so they have to be selfish to a degree and that's going to mean going when under the weather and sometimes increasing the likelihood of other people being inconvenienced and potentially getting sick.

And there are also degrees of sick..both for self employed and employed people, if they don't go to work at the first sign of a sniffle then they're going to be taking way too much time off and in the case of employed people, letting their team down which is also punch in the face worthy.
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08-20-2018 , 08:27 PM
I'd expect that just physically being in a Casino is going to increase the chances that you get sick. Lots of people touching all kinds of surfaces that don't get cleaned often, money, and food. If you're already compromised from being somewhat sick when you walk in, not only are you going to infect others, but you'll be prone to getting even worse yourself. If you're "sick ridiculously often" there's a good chance you're doing it to yourself by walking back into a casino before you've fully recovered.

Also, that's not normal. Go to a doctor.


All that being said, I have played sessions where I felt fine to start, but was either 100% sick or knew for sure I'd be 'sick' the next morning by the time I got up and left the table a few hours later. It makes you hazy and hurts concentration. Also messes with your sleep schedule which is just as bad. Playing tired can be worse than playing while drinking.

There's a big difference between going to an office job and sitting in your cubicle with a cold sneezing, or working as a line cook with a cold and sneezing. The more human interaction the less you should go to work sick. And sitting at a poker table has a lot of human interaction.
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08-20-2018 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Dont go if you're sick.
A) you dont play well as already noted
B) you're getting everyone else sick and that selfish beyond all reason
C) get a "traditional" job that gives you benefits imo
This x1000

One of the biggest reasons to be a poker pro is the freedom to work whenever you want. Unless it's a mild cold, if you feel like crap don't play.

And B is also a very good point. Seriously get the **** off my table if you're sick. I had this guy on my right the other night sneezing and snorting his snot non-stop with his nose running. Wanted to backhand him (with a glove).

If you have to ask whether you should play when you're sick, then professional poker is not for you at this point in time, no offense.
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08-20-2018 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
yes to some degree but there's clearly a balance.



Of course if you have a rabidly contagious virus and are going to be making other people really ill then you can't go.



But self employed people don't get paid if they don't work and money is important and so they have to be selfish to a degree and that's going to mean going when under the weather and sometimes increasing the likelihood of other people being inconvenienced and potentially getting sick.



And there are also degrees of sick..both for self employed and employed people, if they don't go to work at the first sign of a sniffle then they're going to be taking way too much time off and in the case of employed people, letting their team down which is also punch in the face worthy.


My default is "should I be operating heavy machinery right now?"

If the answer is "no", then I don't go to work. If the answer is "meh, yes", then I work away...

I mean this shouldnt even really be a question. This is something most people should know living in a civilized society and being over 15 years old. If you're rolling around looking for a poker game with a 103 fever, you're a ****ing idiot. There aren't really any splitting hairs here. It doesn't matter if self employed or not. This is why everyone preaches the "have 6 months of cash for bills", so someone doesn't feel obligated to play sick
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08-20-2018 , 09:48 PM
Of course it makes a difference if you’re self employed or not. We work for money and it’s far easier taking sick leave if you’re being paid the same as if you’re going to work.
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08-21-2018 , 02:39 AM
Some of you guys don't seem to understand contagion. We are generally at our most contagious before ANY symptoms show up and with highly infectious illnesses like influenza maybe the first couple days of sickness. Most of the people spreading disease probably have no clue they're doing it. It's the people never washing their hands then riffling chips and cards for three hours, or the ones who sit right next to you and sneeze or cough without covering their mouth. If I'm lucky they're not contagious but people tend to play more in the early stages of illness before they really feel bad. Oh it's just a cough. Oh it's just a sneeze.

Trust me I am the guy catching everything not spreading it. I have never knowingly played and never will in a contagious period. This is very irresponsible. But sometimes after I've been sick about a week and am definitely not contagious I try to go in. Pretty much always lose. Sometimes I don't really know either. In the late stages it's not clear if I'm recovered or not. I play the most during this phase and realize after an hour or two no I'm not recovered.

Stay home seems the answer but I don't have much else to do. God it gets boring. That's also an easy answer when you get sick like once or twice a year rather than 25 to 30 percent of the year.

And yeah whoever told me I should see a doctor about getting sick a lot, hmm, gee, I never thought about that. I'm immunocompromised. You think there's some magic cure?
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