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[OFFICIAL] Winrates, bankrolls, and finances

View Poll Results: What is your Win Rate in terms of BB per Housr

Less than 0 (losing)

5 6.41%

0-2.5

0 0%

2.5-5

6 7.69%

5-7.5

8 10.26%

7.5-10

15 19.23%

10+

26 33.33%

Not enough sample size/I don't know

18 23.08%

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09-02-2015 , 01:22 PM

#10226

root_9

stranger

Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 11

I just moved to Philly so I've only gotten a chance to play at Sugarhouse. How is Parx? I figured there'd be more drunk inner city clowns at Sugarhouse, but apparently johnny is cleaning up at parx

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09-02-2015 , 01:25 PM

#10227

Richard Parker

banned

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 13,949

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Originally Posted by bip!

Sounds like plenty to me.

Sounds like it's too much.

IMO, size of BR has more to do with psyche than anything else. Some people need a large number to feel less of the day-to-day fluctuation, some are ok with less.

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09-02-2015 , 01:27 PM

#10228

ZuneIt

veteran

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,160

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Originally Posted by de4df1sh

Do we still think 40bis + 6 month life expenses is an adeqaute fulltime BR?

For me to turn Pro I would:

1. Need 15 months living expenses. Being retired military my med insurance is only $35 pr month & cars are paid for.

2. 70 buyins, or 35k to play 2/5.

I know a guy who swings from -3k to +5k over a 2/3 week period. I would want to be able to sit down & play poker without thinking "money", only "Is it +Ev or -Ev" even after grinding through 4 months of a bad run where profit, if any, is minimal.

"Pro" means your primary source of income is from playing poker.
Moneymaker is no longer a "Pro" as he makes more money working for Hollywood Casino chain than he does playing poker.
http://www.wsop.com/players/playerpr...p?playerID=129

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09-02-2015 , 01:30 PM

#10229

Richard Parker

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 13,949

Swing from negative to positive is much more common and easier than the other way, reason being that everyone can afford to do it.

Not so much the other way around, and most people would simply take a break.

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09-02-2015 , 01:34 PM

#10230

ATsai

veteran

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 2,409

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Originally Posted by de4df1sh

Do we still think 40bis + 6 month life expenses is an adeqaute fulltime BR?

I would amend your statement to say that 4000 big blinds + 6 month life expenses is an adequate fulltime BR ASSUMING that you put in decent volume and have a solid winrate. I don't like using buyins for BRM purposes (big blinds is more relevant)

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09-02-2015 , 04:43 PM

#10231

NeverLosesAtPoker

banned

Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 4,448

Honestly, everyone should have an emergency fund of at least 3 to 6 months of expenses regardless of what they do for a living, so realistically a poker pro should probably have 9 to 12 months of living expenses.

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09-02-2015 , 06:14 PM

#10232

feel wrath

The Situation

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 29,843

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Originally Posted by Richard Parker

Somehow the context was lost...

Skill level of your opponents is relative.

My comment was directed at players that are crushing 1/2 at ~10bb/hr, or as you would call them, best 1/2 players in the room.

For them, skill gap that would take to beat either game at similar dollar amount is small.

Didn't realise it was you who made original comment. Youre most probably right about skill level relativity. Will say though that my own win rate at 1/2 is 12bb/hr while at 5/5 it's pretty much exactly the same $$ amount. I feel like I need a 'good' table at 5/5 to be +ev whereas I believe I can beat any 1/2 table easily

Maybe I haven't adjusted properly to the bigger game or perhaps my 1/2 environment was particularly soft?

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09-02-2015 , 09:49 PM

#10233

ibelieveyouoweme$80k

LLSNL FF Champ '13

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 12,868

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Originally Posted by root_9

I just moved to Philly so I've only gotten a chance to play at Sugarhouse. How is Parx? I figured there'd be more drunk inner city clowns at Sugarhouse, but apparently johnny is cleaning up at parx

yeah, you should definitely go to parx and not sugarhouse.

Spoiler:

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09-02-2015 , 09:50 PM

#10234

ibelieveyouoweme$80k

LLSNL FF Champ '13

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 12,868

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Originally Posted by de4df1sh

Jesus you guys are the most unobservant people ever.

arn't you guys supposed to be poker players?

clearly 2/5, look at the blinds.

you've never seen people post those chips at $1/$2 or $1/$3? nothing is clearly.

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09-02-2015 , 10:29 PM

#10235

JamesGreen

centurion

Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 184

just caught the misspelling but it's a nothing statement to say people should have savings.

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09-02-2015 , 10:57 PM

#10236

kookiemonster

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 1,652

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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

gather around boys and girls. i have a story to share in the morning. it is a tale that chronicles patience, determination, guile and majestic dragons.

Great job JB!

But, why u hiding ur big chips?

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09-02-2015 , 11:14 PM

#10237

ibelieveyouoweme$80k

LLSNL FF Champ '13

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 12,868

My August giraffe:

Other than those two days in the middle of the month, probably my best or second-best month as a lolpro.

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09-02-2015 , 11:36 PM

#10238

TobiasReiper

newbie

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 43

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Originally Posted by IbelieveinChipKelly

My August giraffe:

Other than those two days in the middle of the month, probably my best or second-best month as a lolpro.

Well done. 500nl or volatile 200nl game?

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09-02-2015 , 11:51 PM

#10239

ibelieveyouoweme$80k

LLSNL FF Champ '13

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 12,868

Thanks.

Mostly $1/$3. I buyin for $300.

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09-02-2015 , 11:56 PM

#10240

johnnyBuz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 7,563

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Originally Posted by kookiemonster

Great job JB!

But, why u hiding ur big chips?

Thanks. The big chips WERE in front, but when you suddenly find yourself in possession of another $1000 in mostly red chips, you clear them from the middle as quickly as possible. I was just getting them out of the way so the dealer could deal the next hand.

I didn't really play another hand after this. I just sat around for an orbit and then bounced.

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09-03-2015 , 03:36 AM

#10241

OvertlySexual

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Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 2,093

Don't hit and run bro.

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09-03-2015 , 05:54 AM

#10242

eldiesel

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,585

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Originally Posted by AllJackedUp

But, a couple typical things that winning players can do to boost their winrate 1 or 2 BB per hour:

I don't think these will be specific to winning players.

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Originally Posted by AllJackedUp

1) does your room offer any cash back promos? One of my rooms let's me cash in reward points based on hours of play. It's not much, but it's something.

Doesn't affect your winrate.

Also, you forego what you would have spent it on. Were you going to use it on a buffet? Instead of 1 of your meals being free this week/month/etc, now it's not free but you do have more cash than you would otherwise. You need to compare those. Zane Beadles probably benefits from the free buffet more. The woman from The Shining probably doesn't get a great value from the free buffet. #OverUnder0.5ShelleyDuvallReferences

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Originally Posted by AllJackedUp

2) can you find one hand per hour where you can steal the blinds from button rather than let the sb and bb chop? if you can, that's $3 per hour right there.

Yeah, if it works 100% of the time.

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Originally Posted by AllJackedUp

3) can you find one spot per session where you can value bet thin rather than check the river? Example, last night, there was one hand where I had second pair on a K hi board at river but I was really sure that villain hand an under pair and would fold to any real show of strength. The pot was like $70 at the river and I led out for $10 OOP and was called.

Also dependent on how often it works.

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09-03-2015 , 06:01 AM

#10243

eldiesel

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,585

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Originally Posted by de4df1sh

Jesus you guys are the most unobservant people ever.

arn't you guys supposed to be poker players?

clearly 2/5, look at the blinds.

It can be $2-5 or anything smaller. It just can't be anything bigger.

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09-03-2015 , 06:01 AM

#10244

eldiesel

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,585

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Originally Posted by NeverLosesAtPoker

Honestly, everyone should have an emergency fund of at least 3 to 6 months of expenses regardless of what they do for a living

So if you don't, just get more money?

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09-03-2015 , 06:39 AM

#10245

NeverLosesAtPoker

banned

Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 4,448

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Originally Posted by eldiesel

So if you don't, just get more money?

I don't know what this means.

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09-03-2015 , 07:13 AM

#10246

eldiesel

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,585

If a guy has 3-6 months' emergency money, he has it. If he doesn't have it, what do you want him to do? Pause time and work some extra shifts? Go to the money store and buy some more money? That guy on the sidewalk who always offers bags of cash and you never take it, tomorrow when you walk by him you do take it?

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09-03-2015 , 07:47 AM

#10247

NeverLosesAtPoker

banned

Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 4,448

Ummmm..how do you get money for anything? You work for it and you save for it. It's a pretty basic concept that has eluded $30k millionaires for decades.

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09-03-2015 , 08:18 AM

#10248

eldiesel

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 3,585

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Originally Posted by NeverLosesAtPoker

everyone should have an emergency fund of at least 3 to 6 months of expenses regardless of what they do for a living

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Originally Posted by NeverLosesAtPoker

You work for it and you save for it.

So the people who live paycheck to paycheck, how do you want them to save? Work a 3rd job, a 4th?

You're the one who said any job, tell me how the lowest paying ones can do this.

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09-03-2015 , 09:46 AM

#10249

johnnyBuz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 7,563

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Originally Posted by OvertlySexual

Don't hit and run bro.

Didn't realize a 7 hour session was a hit and run. My apologies. I'll just keep on playing through next time even though the table is now short with no money on it, get no sleep, and then just go directly to work from the casino. Thanks for clearing that one up.

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09-03-2015 , 11:27 AM

#10250

JamesGreen

centurion

Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 184

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Originally Posted by eldiesel

So the people who live paycheck to paycheck, how do you want them to save? Work a 3rd job, a 4th?

You're the one who said any job, tell me how the lowest paying ones can do this.

seriously bro go pollute some other thread with this nonsense

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