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Old Yesterday, 12:21 AM   #1
PilgorTheGOAT
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1/2 Turn Bluff with AJ

Hero: mid 20s have played tag most of the session (~3 hours at this point) until recently when I very loose fish joined the game. I had seen this guy show up with some ridiculous hands so I started isoing him quite frequently. I believe villain is observant of this but I cant say for sure.

Villain: also mid/late 20s guy. Has played pretty tag as well and seems like a competent player. He initially sat down to wait for a 2/5 table that hadn't opened yet. Hes been here for ~2 hours of the session. I have seen villain 3b light from the BB in one spot where I tried to steal from SB. Standard open is 10$. Villain is one of the 2 players who have played back against me postflop with raises as opposed to just flats. I have seen him bet large in spots where he had strong value hands against other players at the table.

Villain ~250-275ish starting stack I dont have an exact count hero covers.

Villain opens utg to $10 theres 3 or 4 field callers. I'm not positive if there was 4 but there was at least 3. Hero has AdJh I decide to bump this to 55 from SB. I dont like flatting here and playing OOP so I decide to try to and pick up the dead money. I think the sizing could be larger here (65-75?) but I dont expect the players in the field to call all that often and if we get shoved on we have an easy fold. they were older players that were limp folding to most raises preflop. The only person that would potentially call here would be the initial opener and if he calls I'd still expect the field to fold behind. This is only the second or 3rd 3bet that the table has seen in the past 3 hrs. Anyways villain calls and everyone else folds.

~140 pot: Qd7d3h hero checks villain checks. Are we okay with checking this oop? Should this just be a 1/3 bet?

Turn: Jd hero bets $40 villain thinks for a bit and then slides out $100. Villain has around 150-175 behind. My question is what do we do in this spot. We used this small sizing so we have to be prepared when villain sees this as weak and raises. If I had played AAd or AKd this way i would definitely be betting the same size here on the turn hoping to induce a raise. However our hand is not as good as those obviously but we do have the Ad. If we call we are oop and are likely facing a bet on the river and I dont expect to get paid off all that often unless villain has KQ with k of diamonds. I think villains smallish raise is not that strong and he could be putting me on AK with a diamond draw. I think villain is capable of hand reading and could be making a move with a hand like KQ no diamond or potentially a hand like 9s or 10s with a diamond. I have used this small sizing against this opponent before and followed it up with a large bet several times in the session and villain has folded every time on the second bet. In the moment my read on villain is that he thinks I'm weak and doesnt want to face a large bet on the river. I'm pretty sure he would anticipate a follow up bet here and he has definitely bled some chips to me by calling my small bets and then folding to the large follow ups. Also not sure how much it matters but this is the only bet 3b post flop of the session vil has seen this far. If villain is a capable thinking player who also plays 2/5 would villain ever expect a 1/2 to take the line of 3b pre flop check flop and then bet 3b on the turn without a Nuttish hand? I dont think many people in these 1/2 games 3b with anything other than AA and KK and occasionally AKs
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Old Yesterday, 09:06 AM   #2
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Re: 1/2 Turn Bluff with AJ

$70 pre if there were 3 callers, $80 if there were 4 callers.

Flop is a range bet. I'd go $55 again, but only because I hate downbetting live.

Turn is a pretty face up bet imo. You bet less than 1/3 pot. Now we're in a sticky situation. I would just call and call any river with Ad blocker. I don't want to 3 bet jam because nothing we're currently beating calls.
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Old Yesterday, 10:58 AM   #3
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Re: 1/2 Turn Bluff with AJ

Given the situation you should have just checked the turn. Your hand has improved to having show down value but with the queen on the board and flushes possible isn't a big hand. There are a couple of things going on that make betting awkward.

With villain's SPR around 2 any action is likely to stick villain in a fold or commit situation. This can make a down bet good on the flop when where you can apply a lot of pressure. On the turn the down bet now looks weak and your hand has improved to the point you would like to get to show down without putting much more money in. The small raise here is deceptive, with villain's stack any raise means villain is bluffing or is committed to the pot. This type of move is rarely a bluff.

Preflop this would normally be a fold. AJo out of position is not good enough for a squeeze against a crowd on a regular basis.

As played, make a live read. Given the dynamic between you and villain he may think he is committed with something like KdJx or even worse jacks after you check flop and bet small. A lot depends on how seriously he is playing in this 1/2 game. If he is playing disciplined or just waiting for value then lean towards a fold, if he is playing reckless because the money is small to him then lean call.
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Old Yesterday, 06:00 PM   #4
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Re: 1/2 Turn Bluff with AJ

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Given the situation you should have just checked the turn. Your hand has improved to having show down value but with the queen on the board and flushes possible isn't a big hand. There are a couple of things going on that make betting awkward.

With villain's SPR around 2 any action is likely to stick villain in a fold or commit situation. This can make a down bet good on the flop when where you can apply a lot of pressure. On the turn the down bet now looks weak and your hand has improved to the point you would like to get to show down without putting much more money in. The small raise here is deceptive, with villain's stack any raise means villain is bluffing or is committed to the pot. This type of move is rarely a bluff.

Preflop this would normally be a fold. AJo out of position is not good enough for a squeeze against a crowd on a regular basis.

As played, make a live read. Given the dynamic between you and villain he may think he is committed with something like KdJx or even worse jacks after you check flop and bet small. A lot depends on how seriously he is playing in this 1/2 game. If he is playing disciplined or just waiting for value then lean towards a fold, if he is playing reckless because the money is small to him then lean call.
I think I'd be extremely surprised to see a flush here with us holding the Ad and the QJd being on the board. The only half reasonable hand would be KTdd but I dont think vil flats a 3b with the field behind him but I could be wrong. I am totally on board with what you're saying about AJo not being a typically good hand to squeeze here I just thought the field callers would be folding a very large portion of the time. But you're probably right we should look for a better combo of AJ if were gunna make this move. In game I had seen villain raise large post flop when he had strong value and often tried to max his value. But each of those situations were against fish. I'm not sure what villain thinks of me but throughout the session I had the table covered and was definitely the most active player. I ended up going with my read that my small bet would look extremely weak and likely induced a small raise and decided to 3b all in. I dont love the idea of calling this raise oop and then making another decision on the river. Villain ended up snap folding saying I obviously had him beat.
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Old Yesterday, 06:05 PM   #5
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Re: 1/2 Turn Bluff with AJ

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Old Yesterday, 06:06 PM   #6
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Re: 1/2 Turn Bluff with AJ

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$70 pre if there were 3 callers, $80 if there were 4 callers.

Flop is a range bet. I'd go $55 again, but only because I hate downbetting live.

Turn is a pretty face up bet imo. You bet less than 1/3 pot. Now we're in a sticky situation. I would just call and call any river with Ad blocker. I don't want to 3 bet jam because nothing we're currently beating calls.
In this spot I dont expect to be beating much honestly. I'm pretty sure villain has me beat but it's tough to say. I'm unsure if villain would take this line with 10s or 9s with a diamond. The only hand I could really put him on was KQ. I agree with going larger preflop though for sure. When you say this is face up why is that so? I'm likely taking this line with AKdd and probably AA with a diamond. I'm likely going to bet 1/3 PBS with kk on the flop more often than checking since I'd unblock a lot of flatted AXdd though. If I flopped a set of queens I'd likely go for a check raise on the flop and bet small on the turn as well since I'd not block any of the flushes
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Old Yesterday, 07:16 PM   #7
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Re: 1/2 Turn Bluff with AJ

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I think I'd be extremely surprised to see a flush here with us holding the Ad and the QJd being on the board. The only half reasonable hand would be KTdd but I dont think vil flats a 3b with the field behind him but I could be wrong.
This is where knowing how serious villain is taking the game really matters. If he is just goofing around medium and low suited connectors are in his range. He obviously isn't actually getting odds with those hands but if he is used to putting in $100 pre he may not care. Also, some of the more aggressive/bluffy 2/5 players just like putting themselves into situation where they can push 1/2 players around.

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I am totally on board with what you're saying about AJo not being a typically good hand to squeeze here I just thought the field callers would be folding a very large portion of the time. But you're probably right we should look for a better combo of AJ if were gunna make this move.
I didn't say never. Your hand does have blocker value. As long as you don't have villains that will limp/call with AK/AQ it's an OK had to squeeze. Rather squeezing out of the SB is the sort of thing you shouldn't do every possible chance.

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I dont love the idea of calling this raise oop and then making another decision on the river. Villain ended up snap folding saying I obviously had him beat.
If I was calling on the turn I'm not really making a decision on the river. I'm calling turn because I think villain has a lot of bluffs and I'm auto calling river.

When villain snap folds I suspect he had air or a pair worse then JX. Anything better would at least require a little thought. He though you were on a bluff and raised. When you came over the top he was obviously beat. This is one of the reasons to flat call the turn, if he is bluffing you want to let him continue.
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