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Old 11-15-2017, 10:48 PM   #1
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Did I overplay AQ?

Hi all,

1/2 MD Live Casino. Hero is UTG+1 with $500, villain is UTG with $290 (V just bought in full again after being felted by the nut flush - don't know what villain had). I raise to $13, two callers including villain. Pot $39.

Flop: A-2-3r.

UTG checks, hero bets $35, folds to V who calls. I put V on weak ace. Pot $109.

Turn: 2. Hero bets $75, villain thinks, says "really?" and calls. Pot $259.

River: 5. Hero bets $75. Villain calls, turns over A4 for a straight.

Did I do anything wrong here or was this just a typical suck out? This hand had me pretty steamed for a while since it seemed like V played poorly but was rewarded by a good run out.

Thanks,
DT

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Old 11-15-2017, 11:08 PM   #2
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Re: Did I overplay AQ?

I would say you are betting too large on the flop and turn. It's fairly rare for two players with Ax to flop that pair of Aces.

So if you want to get value from a wider portion of his range I would suggest smaller bet sizing, especially on dry flops like this. That will in turn allow you to c-bet bluff and double barrel more often.
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Old 11-16-2017, 12:34 AM   #3
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Re: Did I overplay AQ?

It would be nice to know the HH villain got felted on. The action of the hand & how the board ran out, even if we don't know what he held, can give us some level of insight.

Flop is big for my taste. It's a dry board and it's pretty hard to have a draw here. 25$ would be my usual bet. If we're betting with the intent to stack UTG on clean runouts, a big flop bet isn't too bad.

Turn is also large. At least where I play, I will see a decent amt. of A9-A6 folds here, and some A4/A5/AT may fold too. Again, if we're looking to stack V, I don't mind it.

I like the river bet. Check/fold is essentially 0 EV, and check/call is probably -EV. We should be making money when villain calls us.
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Old 11-16-2017, 03:06 AM   #4
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Re: Did I overplay AQ?

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I would say you are betting too large on the flop and turn. It's fairly rare for two players with Ax to flop that pair of Aces.

So if you want to get value from a wider portion of his range I would suggest smaller bet sizing, especially on dry flops like this. That will in turn allow you to c-bet bluff and double barrel more often.
Im not the thread starter, but what do you think about $20 on flop, $45 on turn and check river?

Would river check be bad in this hand?
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Old 11-16-2017, 03:14 AM   #5
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Re: Did I overplay AQ?

you have to bet this river because villain is a total fish. Limps UTG with A4o and stations off chasing a 4 outer. If he's capable of this then he's capable of so much more herego you have to go for 3 streets.
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Old 11-16-2017, 04:48 AM   #6
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Re: Did I overplay AQ?

I would like to mention a few things:

1. Heed johnnyBuz's advice on bet sizing for reasons noted, unless, as Thamel18 mentioned, you are trying to stack your V. However, I would think that's highly improbable on the way this board ran out.

2. I would include, as Thamel18 noted, that more info on the V[s] previous HH would be very helpful. I want to give anyone interested in responding, as much info as possible that would give them a sense of being at the table.

3. I would be more accurate as to who called preflop. It would be nice to know if the other 2 players who called pre were the 1st 2 players on your left, or the CO & Button.

4. Be more accurate on pot size. There was actually only $36 in the pot, since MDL rakes $2 for the BBJ & UTG acted 1st, so the blinds obviously folded. $13*3 = $39 + 3 in blinds = $42 - 4 - 2 = $36. That is, unless you failed to mention one of the blinds called & then checked the flop to the UTG?

5. Do not give results in your OP! It will skew responses sometimes, although I do not believe that to be the case here.

6. With $36 in the pot OTF & 1/2 PSB being $18 & $2 more to be raked, I'd bet $20-$25, which is what I'd fire if the flop warranted a c-bet.

7. Would be nice to know if the deuce OTT completed the rainbow. Did it put two to a flush on board & V have A4s in that suit? When you post the board, you can use the suits listed below the box you post in that has the various emojis.

Then you could post: I have AQ; Turn brings A232. Then we know the A high flush draws are not possible. But if it's the 2, it is possible V has flush draw & V may have paid $75 looking for a 4, 5, or any .

He still wouldn't be getting the right price with what he believes is 16 outs, since he would never discount them , but his play would be more in line with a typical fish, rather than a full blown Donk.

However, none of this analysis is going to be posted, because you posted the complete runout & results of the hand, so it was unnecessary, with your post being really nothing more than bad beat story, with little analysis to be had by your respondents.
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Old 11-16-2017, 05:09 AM   #7
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Re: Did I overplay AQ?

I think it's a 2 streets of value situation with AQ and an A on the board rather than 3 streets so i'd be more careful there, you don't have the nuts at all and A2 is a possibility there especially with "really"
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Old 11-16-2017, 08:22 AM   #8
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Re: Did I overplay AQ?

I'll just note that the turn is about the best card you could get other than a queen. If he had A2, he was ahead anyway. Very unlikely he stuck around on the flop with bottom pair (although I expect that this villain will chase with third pair).

Your river bet shows you have only TP. The villain is unlikely to call with worse (evidenced by his comment), and it is too small. You're better off to check. Be glad. The villain should have raised you give you a tough decision. He could have taken another $75 off you at least.
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Old 11-16-2017, 09:55 AM   #9
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Re: Did I overplay AQ?

The line u take in this spot is extremely dependent on the V image. Given that he did not raise river, I would say betting every street is optimal. As others have said, sizing should be smaller nevertheless, say 1/2-2/3 PSB.

You can also size similarly when you raise pre and miss the flop, limiting your losses while deceiving opponents during the length of the session.

When facing a stronger opponent, checking a street is probably better since it is unlikely u will get max value.
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Old 11-16-2017, 11:04 PM   #10
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Re: Did I overplay AQ?

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I would like to mention a few things:

1. Heed johnnyBuz's advice on bet sizing for reasons noted, unless, as Thamel18 mentioned, you are trying to stack your V. However, I would think that's highly improbable on the way this board ran out.

2. I would include, as Thamel18 noted, that more info on the V[s] previous HH would be very helpful. I want to give anyone interested in responding, as much info as possible that would give them a sense of being at the table.

3. I would be more accurate as to who called preflop. It would be nice to know if the other 2 players who called pre were the 1st 2 players on your left, or the CO & Button.

4. Be more accurate on pot size. There was actually only $36 in the pot, since MDL rakes $2 for the BBJ & UTG acted 1st, so the blinds obviously folded. $13*3 = $39 + 3 in blinds = $42 - 4 - 2 = $36. That is, unless you failed to mention one of the blinds called & then checked the flop to the UTG?

5. Do not give results in your OP! It will skew responses sometimes, although I do not believe that to be the case here.

6. With $36 in the pot OTF & 1/2 PSB being $18 & $2 more to be raked, I'd bet $20-$25, which is what I'd fire if the flop warranted a c-bet.

7. Would be nice to know if the deuce OTT completed the rainbow. Did it put two to a flush on board & V have A4s in that suit? When you post the board, you can use the suits listed below the box you post in that has the various emojis.

Then you could post: I have AQ; Turn brings A232. Then we know the A high flush draws are not possible. But if it's the 2, it is possible V has flush draw & V may have paid $75 looking for a 4, 5, or any .

He still wouldn't be getting the right price with what he believes is 16 outs, since he would never discount them , but his play would be more in line with a typical fish, rather than a full blown Donk.

However, none of this analysis is going to be posted, because you posted the complete runout & results of the hand, so it was unnecessary, with your post being really nothing more than bad beat story, with little analysis to be had by your respondents.
Thanks for the feedback. I didn't post the suits because they weren't relevant to this particular hand. Good catch on pot size. Sorry for posting results, but I felt it gave a lot of info on V's "style." Also, I just wanted to vent a little in addition to getting feedback on how I played the hand.
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Old Yesterday, 09:29 AM   #11
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Re: Did I overplay AQ?

I think you played it fine actually. I think you're only getting 1 street of value from small pairs so you might as well go big, and since opp. is obviously never folding an ace you might as well go big.

it sounds like you could have over bet 50 on the flop 115 on the turn and he still calls cause that's how bad people who call pfr with A4o etc are.
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