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Old 05-14-2010, 11:04 PM   #176
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Kurt I am feeling like I have a "chance" to be "lucky", if you're lurking around the 1 1 2 tell me and I'll stalk you!

(Probably not much incentive huh)
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Old 05-14-2010, 11:42 PM   #177
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Played some 1/2 up at Riverwind (Norman, OK) for the first time. Smoky casino was super annoying but the table was good. Ended up 1.5 buyins so that was nice.

How do you guys take notes at the table? There's that Poker Journal app that I'm considering buying bc it's intuitive and has a notes section...Thoughts?
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Old 05-14-2010, 11:53 PM   #178
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sp, I'm grinding online right now. If I can get myself unstuck in the next hour or two I was thinking of doing just that.

~70% I show, and if I do it'll be around 11ish.
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Old 05-15-2010, 12:22 AM   #179
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If you show bring your friends rungoot and nutsflopper because I am sitting here with my friends aa kk qq (x2) ak(x3) tt and aq and am still down a bi
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Old 05-15-2010, 02:18 AM   #180
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Someone remind me how long the long term is in poker?
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Old 05-15-2010, 04:16 AM   #181
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This week the games in Arizona were much better Thursday night than Friday night. Odd how it happens that way on some occasions. Sometimes weekdays at 2am are the best games because it's only pros and total degens.
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Old 05-15-2010, 04:58 AM   #182
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'bout tree fiddy

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Old 05-15-2010, 08:39 AM   #183
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Someone remind me how long the long term is in poker?
As Lord Keynes put it, "In the long term, we're all dead."
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Old 05-15-2010, 02:17 PM   #184
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Dead? Permarunbad? Gee thanks guys. You're so uplifting.
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Old 05-15-2010, 03:44 PM   #185
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Dead? Permarunbad? Gee thanks guys. You're so uplifting.
Lawls, well I hope your session went better than mine, though I did get to meet Kurt, and he seems like the swellest of swell fellows.
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Old 05-15-2010, 03:53 PM   #186
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why tyvm sir, it was a pleasure to meet you as well.

For some reason now that the 1-1-2 is true NL the PFRs seems smaller than in the good ol' days of spread limit. Maybe it was just the table I was at. *shrug* Also, the $4 kill is freaking awesome.
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Old 05-15-2010, 04:00 PM   #187
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Did you notice any other changes in how the game was played? You guys did win that rack attack, haha. The $4kill, is that just a straddle, or do you mean you can kill it from the BTN for example? I would do that everytime if that was the case, make people put in more money OOP against you is always excellent.

Rough session for me, had AAx2 KKx2 QQx3 AKx4 and all sorts of OESFD, NFD, TPTK hands that didn't get there. Those sessions where you crush the deck PF and just get pwned post-flop are often, imo, the most difficult to deal with. Just folding a lot doesn't bother me, but having to put in tons of pf money to get beaten on the flop/turn is a little testing. As well when everyone hits their draws vs you and your TPTK + NFD doesn't get there is also a downer.

What's the saying though? You'll only know your true winrate once you've died, seems so true
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Old 05-15-2010, 04:22 PM   #188
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Did you notice any other changes in how the game was played?
People say "all in" instead of "max bet"?

Keep in mind this is 3hrs at 1 table of NL, so I really don't know. There were no real big stacks at my table, but I didn't notice any major differences.

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The $4kill, is that just a straddle, or do you mean you can kill it from the BTN for example?
Its $4 from any position except the button. It makes it $8 to limp. And you get to act last preflop. Eventually I just started killing every CO. Bloated pots, simpler decisions, and better position, what's not to like?


Hero has $240 and kills the CO, gets dealt KK. EP player calls $8 (he's been pretty quiet, unknown, $150 stack), folds to BB who calls $8 (fairly solid, likes to chase draws but usually knows exactly where he's at, covers table). Action to Hero, how much to raise?

Edit to add I've played 2 bighands at this table. One: killpot two limpers for $8 each I raise AKo to $38 OTB, everyone folds and I show. Two: killpot, I call $25 cold from the CO kill with 65s, shove 2nd pair on the flop and dodge 6 outs FTW. Image might help.
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Old 05-15-2010, 04:56 PM   #189
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I like a raise to $35. Easy enough to call, bad for set mining and puts the SPR in the right place for worry free post flop action.
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Old 05-16-2010, 01:51 PM   #190
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Rumor has it that the Commerce $100 max NL game is going to a 1/2 blind structure and dumping the 2/3 structure. Came from a Com dealers mouth. Its not much but will make it a 50bb game instead of a 33 bb game. Bedda than nada I guess
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Old 05-16-2010, 02:28 PM   #191
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Wonder if the other rooms will follow suit?
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Old 05-16-2010, 10:59 PM   #192
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Someone teach me to fold...

3-5 I open QT to 20 from HJ, CO (400) min raises to 40, BTN (190) flats, I call getting 5:1 and telling myself I will only continue if I smash the flop.

45Q

I tell myself I should fold because my pear sucks and my kicker sucks, CO has projected massive str and BTN is a shorty. I check, CO bets 50, BTN flats (so shallow? uh oh!), I somehow call.

T

I check, CO bets 100, BTN calls AI, I put CO AI he snaps.

K

CO tables KK, BTN tables 44. Whoops. Someone teach me to listen to myself plz.
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Old 05-17-2010, 06:46 AM   #193
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Things must be tough at Pokerstars. The RNG is now moonlighting as a dealer at your B&M.

I see this all the time on-line.
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Old 05-17-2010, 07:45 AM   #194
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Someone teach me to fold...

3-5 I open QT to 20 from HJ, CO (400) min raises to 40, BTN (190) flats, I call getting 5:1 and telling myself I will only continue if I smash the flop.

45Q

I tell myself I should fold because my pear sucks and my kicker sucks, CO has projected massive str and BTN is a shorty. I check, CO bets 50, BTN flats (so shallow? uh oh!), I somehow call.

T

I check, CO bets 100, BTN calls AI, I put CO AI he snaps.

K

CO tables KK, BTN tables 44. Whoops. Someone teach me to listen to myself plz.
Look at the upside though. You got your money in as a favorite for the side pot of 210. This means that you only had to wager 400 for a net of 20.

And, you have 4 outs (Qs and Ts) to win the entire pot! That's an 8% chance. Gotta happen, right? Oh, it didn't - oh well.......

Of course, the CO does have 6 outs for a 12% chance of winning here. But that's not really going to happen, is it? Oh, it did - oh well......

There - feel better now?

Actually, on a more serious note - the CO really shouldn't make the call. He only has a 12% chance of beating you, and a 4% chance of winning the whole pot. Getting far the worst of it when you shove on the turn.

Interesting situation. You both should have folded, but the CO made the bigger mistake (it seems to me) and then got really lucky to hit his K on the river.

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Old 05-17-2010, 01:27 PM   #195
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Things must be tough at Pokerstars. The RNG is now moonlighting as a dealer at your B&M.

I see this all the time on-line.

Online CO prolly bets more on the flop and BTN pounds it AI and it's an easy fold...live people routinely underbet and give great odds and I just. could. not. fold.

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Look at the upside though. You got your money in as a favorite for the side pot of 210. This means that you only had to wager 400 for a net of 20.

And, you have 4 outs (Qs and Ts) to win the entire pot! That's an 8% chance. Gotta happen, right? Oh, it didn't - oh well.......

Of course, the CO does have 6 outs for a 12% chance of winning here. But that's not really going to happen, is it? Oh, it did - oh well......

There - feel better now?

Actually, on a more serious note - the CO really shouldn't make the call. He only has a 12% chance of beating you, and a 4% chance of winning the whole pot. Getting far the worst of it when you shove on the turn.

Interesting situation. You both should have folded, but the CO made the bigger mistake (it seems to me) and then got really lucky to hit his K on the river.

Lee

Yeah I am sort of stationy, and it's probably my biggest leak. I just don't trust anyone enough to lay it down!
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Old 05-17-2010, 04:08 PM   #196
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Stars generally sucks money from me by giving me just good enough of a hand that I can't fold without feeling like a complete nit. The "gift" of top two just makes it impossible to for you to fold.
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Old 05-19-2010, 02:36 PM   #197
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Here's a question about rake: how much would you let it dictate where you play?

Unfortunately, I live in a state that only has two poker rooms, both 3.5+ hours away from my house.

Forunately, I live close enough to Oklahoma to have access to the litany of tribal casinos in the area. There are three different tribes in the area, all of which have different rake structures.

Tribe A: $1 rake at $10, $2 at 20, $3 at 30, $4 at 40. $1 also goes into the bad beat jackpot at $10, for a total of $5 maximum out of the pot. The BBJ is aces full of kings beaten by quads or better. The BBJ is progressive, but I've only played at this casino a couple of times, so I don't know all of the details.

Tribe B: $2 rake at $10, $3 at $20, $4 at 30, $5 at 40, for a maximum of $5 rake. This casino has a static BBJ of $10,000 with a 60/30/10 split, with the last 10% going to the table. Quads beaten by quads or better triggers the BBJ. The casino also has monthly high hand freerolls, but the prizepool is something laughable like $1,000 total.

Tribe C: $1 rake at $10, $2 at $20, $3 at 30, and $1 goes to BBJ at $10. The room also has progressive jackpots for royal flushes in the four different suits. The BBJ is progressive, and is currently ~$165k. Quads beaten by quads or better triggers the BBJ. BBJ is split 40/20/40, with the last 40% being divided among every player in the poker room.

I think all of the casinos give $.75/hr to be used for food in the casino.

Tribe B is closest to my house, it takes about 35 to 40 minutes to drive there, but it's an incredibly annoying drive with tons of stoplights and low speed limits. This is the worst rake structure of the three casinos, but it's still not THAT bad.

Tribe C is the furthest distance from my house, and it takes about 1 hr 30 minutes to 1 hr 40 minutes to get there, but the drive is mainly interstate. This is one of the best rake structures I've ever encountered. Additionally, this poker room is, taken as a whole, one of the best rooms I've ever been in. The dealers are competent, tables are nice, chairs are extra comfy, tons of plasma TVs, the room is totally separated from the main casino floor, and the room is by far the busiest of the three casinos mentioned.

Casino A is about an hour and five minutes from my house, and the drive is exclusively interstate. This room is pretty mediocre, painted in dark and depressing color, and there seems to be limited game selection.

Does the superior rake structure and action at Casino C make it worth the extra time/gas money/wear and tear on vehicle as opposed to going to Casino B, which is much closer to my house?

BTW, I play exclusively 1-2 NL.

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Old 05-19-2010, 08:58 PM   #198
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Tribe A = 120 miles round trip
Tribe B = 40 miles round trip
Tribe C = 180 miles round trip

Fixed cost of travel at $0.50/mile

Tribe A = $60
Tribe B = $20
Tribe C = $90

Ignoring the minimal effect of actually hitting a BBJ, playing at Tribe C probably amounts to only a couple of bucks of savings an hour at best. Obviously the best solution is to go to the nearest casino if your interest is in maximizing your money.
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Old 05-20-2010, 11:40 AM   #199
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Ugh haven't played live for quite a while now, and it'll be a couple of weeks more before I get to play because of finals. Help spur me on by sharing some fun live poker moments!

I've been grinding live for < 1 year, so off the top of my head:
- constantly losing/getting myself into bad spots as a 6max kid because I just needed to bluff when good scare cards hit because they couldn't possibly call with 2nd pair. I was wrong.
- winning a 250BB flip at £1/2 very early into my live play. I was underrolled even for £1/1, god knows why I was playing £1/2.
- losing a 3-way AIPF w AA at £1/1 when I had just begun.
- Scooping a 1150BB pot at £1/2 mmmmmm.
- My first 4-figure night at £1/1 when I was building a roll.
- Fun triple barrels at £1/2 w A high, big stack vs. big stack.
- With JJ in hand, bluffing AA off the flop yet trying to get it in vs. the third person in the hand who was almost certainly on some sort of combo draw.
- Making ridiculous value overbets.

Edit: I can't figure out if this should be in the BBV thread.

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Old 05-20-2010, 12:00 PM   #200
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- Scooping a 1150BB pot at £1/2 mmmmmm.
I'm pretty sure I've never won a pot over $1000. I've lost dozens of them though.
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