It's interesting because I have mixed feelings about it. I have been recruiting for a lot of consulting/internal strategy type jobs and I have a little blurb about poker at the bottom of my resume under additional, right next to avid snowboarder and some volunteer activities. I am actually somewhat torn with having it there, and have had some people say it's meh or is at best neutral, and others say it's great to show some outside interests and demonstrates some sort of strategic thinking.

I am, of course, not looking at any real technical jobs here. Additionally, a case interview prep coach thought it was cool to have, and a few career counselors have also said it's an intriguing bit that can make me more memorable and generate conversation so it's good to have. Still unsure about it though, and both your stories are definitely sobering. I have had a bunch of interviews in the last 2 weeks during recruiting season (disclosure, I am getting an MBA) so it's certainly not keeping me from ALL interviews, although whether it's been hurting or helping I can't really quantify. Most of the time I assume it isn't even noticed.

Im a professional lotto player and I disclose it on my resumes. Prove to me lotto has nothing to do with poker... Its all gambling right? Ducwidt?

It may put forth the wrong impression imo. I would be cautious in your approach.

Yeah I very much agree APD. It's not very heavily advertised, etc. I have a few lines of "Additional" at the very bottom, and it's one segment down there, like I said, right between some volunteer work I do, "Avid snowboarder and basketball player", etc etc. Consultants might like it, but say, internal strategy at a healthcare company might not. Though I have gotten interviews, so at the very least it's not crushing me out from anything. Most people just ignore it, or maybe my cover letters are just that good (most likely not)

I get the impression that the poker game I play in might just be one of the most insane in the World.

9 players €1/2 €5 straddle - about 4 limpers of varying degrees of droolership. BB young Indian looking guy (who just lost €150 with A3 after putting in a €35 raise and being called down on a non Ace dry board by a worse player with A5... kicker played ) raises to €60 (yes €60)... GETS 3 callers effective stacks maybe €250ish.

Flop comes A93

Young Indian guy shoves about €150 in, fold, call reshove, call.

Pot around €700+

A93XX

Indian guy shows QQ
Caller shows Ax
reshover a set of 9's to scoop the lot.

Is this normal or does this game sound particularly mad?

I have no reference point as it's the only place I've played.

Lol crazy For sure I know a 1/2 game that gets 10k deep...each person. Lol

Never played in it...but the guys in it are terrible

Thanks for taking the time, seems fairly well thought out .

The problem is that a hiring manager does not have to have a valid reason to decline you. All in all the negatives out way the positives. Very few hiring managers are going to know what positive things playing poker brings to the table. More are going to have a tilted view of poker (read... seedy, underworld, crime, violence, sin, dishonest, untrustworthy, etc, etc) and that is something to just avoid. There are too many resumes to jobs these days, all it takes in one thing and into the wrong pile it goes.

I did a short stint in a c store job in college, was on graveyard shift (easiest to steal). The manager was great and loved me, until he found out I played poker and that was my primary source of income. He freaked. Lucky for me he was a honorable man and didn't invent a reason to fire me on the spot. A couple days later I walked in with a roll in my pocket that was larger than the biggest day of sales the store had ever had, flopped on his desk... "This is the money I play poker with, poker is my business. Your piddly ass sales in this store isn't worth my time to take. But I need this job for the benefits." We were on good terms after that, and he actually learned a little and played a little in one of our smaller games after that.

Well thought out but still bad?

Went over to cp.com to check on the forums like I sometimes do. Sometimes I like to see the hate as it makes me cherish what we got here... Much to my suprise it was gone. I did a search on it and it looks like it got shut down in like October or November...

Makes me wonder how much of that traffic is now here and if it relates to any of the current situations?? hmmm.. I know from experience those folk were argumentative and always got into with no matter how close the decision. A lot of flame wars going on... hmmm.... jus sayin.

Hmmmm... Interesting.

As far as the debate about mentioning poker in a resume or interview goes, id say in general its not a good idea for the reasons mentioned by percula. But getting hired a lot of times comes down to being able to get a feel for the interviewer, and what types if things they value. My current job it was brought up at the interview when I was asked what hobbies and goals I have. He was surprised and didn't know what to think at first but was impressed with the fact that I actually keep stats and graphs about it and take it seriously. Most carpenters couldn't calculate odds or make a graph or any of that..

I would never put it on a resume though, and if I was shooting for more high profile jobs, I wouldn't mention it.

I was just reviewing the archives. I stumble across this thread called range merging. It basically said there is no such thing as the value bet bluff? Is this a true statement. My terminology is flawed. I thought when you value bet you have to mix some pure bluffs and some medium strength hands as well.

What are the reasons for betting?

You will find your answer there.

Sigh.

You write too many posts for me to find the post that you said the other day you didn't know what flop texture is better for cbetting. I wouldn't be even reading about range merging yet. Especially after claiming you read all the micro COTWs, where in at least one flop texture for cbetting is discussed in some detail. No, I'm not going to tell you where it is for your own good. You need to absorb, then apply what you read.

As for value bet bluffs, some high level 2+2ers swear it is a valid concept. To me, it is a bet of, "Beats the hell out of me what a reasonable calling range is for him, I'll throw some money out there and see what happens." I don't buy that someone is going to call king high, but fold TP.

I think you took me out of context. Especially something about cbetting. Which is basic fundamentals. I cbet on almost all flop textures except for the Broadway connected plus flush draw boards.

But thanks for telling me about some other people talking about the value bet bluff. That's what I call it, all this merging and triple range merging. I just hate that term. Ill rather say value bet bluff. Merging just sounds ******ed to me.

Especially when they talk about jungleman blah blah. Back in November when he was crushing durrrr. By calling light.

Thanks for answering my question Venice10

Tell me about studying the film of Durrr etc. And how that applies to your game if you would.

And i as a rule raise donk bets about always if i have no other reads.

Range-merging in 3 short sentences:

Basically, OTR you usually bet your strong hands (for value) and your weak hands (because you have no showdown equity), and check your med hands trying to get to SD. Therefore your betting range is polarized to strong hands and air. Range-merging is betting the med strength hands too and merging the two poles or your range.

I think there's a lot of merit to the idea that its just a super thin valuebet. It definitely has practical use, especially in higher level games where you will get looked up light because its a bluff spot.

doesn't that just mean we're betting every river?

Okay, so I am in the Top 10 for a reverse raffle for the local high school basketball team.
The grand prize is $2500.

If all 10 of us agree, we can chop the $2500. If 1 or more doesn't agree, they draw tickets until there are 5 remaining. It goes 1 by 1 with an option to chop at any time from that point if all participants agree.

Based on the other remaining ticket holders, I think I will be the deciding vote in the chop.

Do I take the $250 and run, or make the 50/50 play for $500?

Swing for the fences

Yes, but I don't recommend it versus the typical 1/2 and 2/5 rec LLSNL player.

As a general rule, I am only ever doing or worrying about this when I am playing someone with some significant history and I know has the brains to mess with in the first place.

That's what I needed to here!

(At least until the Top 2 - I would chop for $1250 after buying a $20 ticket).

I always thought of a value-bet-bluff to be silly/crazy **** like this:

Preflop (1.5BB) 2-players,
Hero raises to 3BB with AJ, villain calls.

Flop (6BB) Q27 -- 2-players,
Hero bets 4BB, Villain calls.

(Hero thinks, hmmm, villain is either floating with ace-high or he managed to hit a pair. He never floats with king-high and there are no draws. This guy has a pair or ace-high. And there are much more ace-high hands because he always raises top-pair.)

Turn (14BB) K
Hero goes AI for 91BB.

(Hmmm, no ****ing way villan has a king here, unless he has exactly K7 or K2. He would 3-bet {AK, KQ, KJ, KT} PF 95% of the time, and he would not flat with king-high OTF. He only flats OTF non-pair hands that are ace-high or some draw. Plus that king hits some of my range. He HAS to fold his small pairs. Nothing in his range can call, unless he wants to make a hero call with his small pairs, but even if he does that, he also hero calls with his ace-high hands, which I can beat! And he has more ace-high hands than pair hands!)

(Sorry for the stupid post, I hit my 2-buyin need a break stop-loss rule.)

I agree. Is there a player that is calling AT, but would fold Qx?

Since the EV is the same, I'd do whatever keeps you in the good graces of the other parents at the highschool.

Or, if you don't give a ****, use people's natural risk aversion to increase your EV. Say you're holding out and not chopping unless all 9 give you $10 bucks out of their $250. "Your choice... $240 or a 50% chance at NOTHING."

Given villain would raise the flop with Qx so Qx is not apart of his turn range, whereas AT is apart of his flop calling range, and is therefore also apart of his turn-sick-hero-call-range...

(I'm like 95% joking by the way. But only 95% is joking, 5% is serious.)