Largest to smallest... IME

5/10 PLO
5/5 PLO more or less tied with 10/20 NL will depend on the players
2/3 PLO more or less tied with 5/5 NL will depend on the players
10/20 LE
2/3 NL
5/10 LE (which BTW I have never seen spread, it would be a 6/12 game most places)

10/20 LE is a lot bigger than a 2/3 or realistically a 1/3 NL game. Unless the 10/20 is a total rock garden the average pot is going to be somewhere between $50 and $150, which would be bigger than the average 1/3 NL game with something like a $30 to $70 average pot depending on game dynamics. Also realistically you have to consider kills, as many (most?) LE games have them in some form.

can't really answer 1 but on 2 i'm making my way through No Limit Hold'em Theory and Practice and there's lots of stuff that applies to live cash. i'd imagine Harrington on Cash would also have lots of applicable stuff (that's next on the reading list!). there's a thread or two in the LLNL forum about recommended reading lists, have a look

percula, thanks.

Im in australia with no kills etc. I have played limit around 80% of the time the last month with a decent amount of success, and when someone asked my results, basically said i must be terribad at nl (plausible) because of my limit wr > my nl rate in a smaller game...

Thanks again...

Didn't get my shot at 2/5 this weekend. Didn't see a good game running (none at all in my usual room) so Iplayed around at 1/2 all weekend.
I finished up $700 over 14 hours of play. If I wasn't a donkey, it would have been $1400. I had one terrible call on an overbet when I had top two pair. I could have gotten away, but the villain's shove range was pretty wide, so I leveled myself into the call. A couple of other times I got drawn out on the turn and couldn't lay down a pretty strong hand to a value type bet. None of those were huge losses but they added up.

I was also confused a few times by villains donking out on a flop I nailed hard after I raised preflop. I underplayed one hand that won, and maybe could have stacked the villain, but I flopped TPTK after two players call, and one villain donks out and the other calls. I couldn't decide what to make of it, and ended up calling on the river and beating TPGK.
Another time I raised KK to $24 in a straddled pot, and got two callers. I flop the set, and villain donks out on to a draw heavy board for $60 (close to pot, and the most he had ever bet on a flop). I raise, he tanks and folds his king.
The third one, I 3bet a small open of $7 to $30 with AQ of hearts. The flop is A-K-9 (two hearts). The villain donks out for $30 into a pot of $90. I have this sick feeling he has KK or AK, but I call. Turn is another ace, he checks, river is a brick and he bets $50. There really isn't anything I beat but I call. KK. Pfffffttttt.
I had a couple of other mistakes that weren't huge, but were caused by looser play than normal from me.
I still can't complain though as the trip as a whole was solid.

Biggest games:
10/20NL >> 5/10PLO >>> the rest

I think 10/20 LHE is really close to 2/3NL, very different games though.

The PLO games in your area must be really tame.

woot...I got 2 seconds of ESPN time on the day 2b broadcast tonight, go me! hrm...sometime i'll find a youtube clip, but it was when they showed Tom Schneider playing a recording of his annoying wife on his blackberry. *facepalm*

I am so glad she wasn't actually there....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5vNhGSLJpQ&feature=sub

Time?

I agree with Percula about the general order of those games by "size".

Keep in mind there more variance in limit games, and its not like there's none in NL, so you can have an actual winrate rather divergent from your expectation for long periods of time.

starts around the 8:20 mark

5/10 PLO is going to play the largest out of all these by far especially if its Hi-Lo.

As far as 10/20LHE vs 2/3nl... 10/20>2/3 IMO. The players at NL probably think it plays bigger because they win bigger pots at times.

my guess is you're the guy in the hoodie that tried to grab someone's blind while they weren't looking ; )

haha, so wrong. i'm the only chick at the table. though the editing of that bit was interesting, because when they focused on Eric Buchman, it was a shot from near the end of the night, because that is definitely NOT my arm next to him...yet i sat next to him most of the day until i busted at around 9:30 pm....

One of the secrets to having a winning session is surviving those 96%/4% coinflip all-ins.

what coins you use?

just wondering, if you're at that table, its not a TV table right? It seemed odd since it looked like it had a rail around it and then people with laptops in the back and no tables next to it...

I don't play that high, but IMO a 10/20 game with a min buy in of 2k (100BBs) and 5k max should play pretty big too. Its gonna depend a lot on how the players play NL tho.

hard to explain...it was a "section feature table." There are the two main feature TV tables, then the Amazon room is divided into 3 sections: blue, red and orange. Each section has about 40 tables or so, plus one that's up on a small platform in the corner of the section. That's the one I was on for the orange section. No hole cams or anything, but enough space around the table for cameras. usually these have some name pro or something at them, not quite "name" enough to rate the TV tables, but big enough to be separated out.

What's funny is that we didn't know we'd be at this table until we arrived at our table in the Pavilion that morning, and as we were unbagging our chips, a floor came over and said "this whole table is moving to Amazon orange 316, the corner feature table." *groan* Tom Schneider and his silly jacket, and Eric Buchman and his million bucks. lol.

The guy in the hoodie is, I think, a 2+2er, actually, though i'm not 100% sure if I have the correct ID there...Actually think there were a couple 2+2ers at that table.

where is the next COTM,

also dont know where ye play plo but i regularly see 1/2 plo with straddle and pots of 150-300 are standard and pots into the thousands happen quite regularly

Just imagine a PLO/8 or a 5x4 PLO/8 game with no cap... Now that is a crazy game. Seen a ~$4K pot at 1/2 in a 5x4 PLO/8 with an ocean game once, steel-wheel versus quads, with chopped low.

Guys, help me out, I want to crush 1/2 NLHE Live for 5 big blinds / hour, what should I do, what should I read, thanks.

You are in the right place. Start reading the posts and start posting hands that gave you problems.

I will.
Any book recommandation? PNLHE?

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