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10-27-2011 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
As for drunk/incapacitated players, I believe it is a grey area. .
I call shenanigans on Venice using British spellings.
10-27-2011 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking
I call shenanigans on Venice using British spellings.
It was just the Earl Grey tea talking.
10-27-2011 , 10:20 PM
Had TT twice in two orbits in a SNG AIPF, both cracked by shorties who were <15%. Once by Qto and once by 68o. sigh.

Last edited by Garick; 10-27-2011 at 10:22 PM. Reason: grammar
10-28-2011 , 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Had TT twice in two orbits in a SNG AIPF, both cracked by shorties who were <15%. Once by Qto and once by 68o. sigh.
If only you'd had JT..............
10-28-2011 , 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by quesuerte
If only you'd had JT..............
Lmao
10-28-2011 , 07:16 AM
Hey guys, we all have been there. Any of you recently have a terrible session where you didnt crack under pressure, but it would be so easy for you to have lost 1+ buyins if you weren't disciplined to lay down big hands? I left the pokerroom with a combination of a feeling of worthlessness along with the feeling you get in sports where you have a come from behind win, or an "I defeated the odds" type feeling. (We all been there) I felt the worthlessness from spending all night in full concentration mode, but leaving STARVING for forgetting how hungry I was until I winded down on the car ride home. i played a 9 hour session with a meager $130 profit. I felt as if I played extremely solid.

I played a 9 hour session last night playing with a fish who I have had a terrible run of variance with in the recent past. Here are a list of hand I bet/folded/ lost with big hands folding to pressure from loose passive types throughout the night:

1) QQ on a J high flop, where he limp called j4 on a j64 flop, and c/raised otf.
2) JJ on a 10 8 7 flop
3) 99 on k96 rainbow board. Villain c/called with ace-5 high diamonds and runner runnered flushed. I didn't raise river because his donking river range was so polarized (really though)
4) 1010 cracked by 35 on A246A board.
5) 1010 3 bet by a new passive villain immediately following hand #1.
6) 55 got it in on a 10 7 5 board vs 10 7. turn was 10, river was 7. (only a $250 pot, $120 apiece or so)
7) AJ in a raised HU pot flop ran out ace high and villain donked 21 into a 20$ pot, I folded as he is very very passive. He tabled AK

Don't mean this to be a BBV type post, just know if I put it there its a waste of time with those trolls. I listed to beats to explain the type of night it was. Anyone deal with these type of sessions recently? Similar feelings after the session? It was one of those sessions where things were south all night, and I would take down pots left and right w/o showdown, usually without the goods in my raised pots HU... When I had monsters, no one has much to call with. Obviously I fully understand these things are totally normal, just wanted get insight as to what your guys 'immediate feelings are when you leave the room and are on the car ride home after these nights where you have a sense of "wow, I could have easily went broke tonight, but came out ahead. But damn what a grind that was. I'm starving and tired." During the session I am in the zone and cant even feel hunger and exhaustion, but immediately after I feel like trash, lol...

Last edited by Pay4Myschool; 10-28-2011 at 07:26 AM.
10-28-2011 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Pay4Myschool
Hey guys, we all have been there. Any of you recently have a terrible session where you didnt crack under pressure, but it would be so easy for you to have lost 1+ buyins if you weren't disciplined to lay down big hands? I left the pokerroom with a combination of a feeling of worthlessness along with the feeling you get in sports where you have a come from behind win, or an "I defeated the odds" type feeling. (We all been there) I felt the worthlessness from spending all night in full concentration mode, but leaving STARVING for forgetting how hungry I was until I winded down on the car ride home. i played a 9 hour session with a meager $130 profit. I felt as if I played extremely solid.

I played a 9 hour session last night playing with a fish who I have had a terrible run of variance with in the recent past. Here are a list of hand I bet/folded/ lost with big hands folding to pressure from loose passive types throughout the night:

1) QQ on a J high flop, where he limp called j4 on a j64 flop, and c/raised otf.
2) JJ on a 10 8 7 flop
3) 99 on k96 rainbow board. Villain c/called with ace-5 high diamonds and runner runnered flushed. I didn't raise river because his donking river range was so polarized (really though)
4) 1010 cracked by 35 on A246A board.
5) 1010 3 bet by a new passive villain immediately following hand #1.
6) 55 got it in on a 10 7 5 board vs 10 7. turn was 10, river was 7. (only a $250 pot, $120 apiece or so)
7) AJ in a raised HU pot flop ran out ace high and villain donked 21 into a 20$ pot, I folded as he is very very passive. He tabled AK

Don't mean this to be a BBV type post, just know if I put it there its a waste of time with those trolls. I listed to beats to explain the type of night it was. Anyone deal with these type of sessions recently? Similar feelings after the session? It was one of those sessions where things were south all night, and I would take down pots left and right w/o showdown, usually without the goods in my raised pots HU... When I had monsters, no one has much to call with. Obviously I fully understand these things are totally normal, just wanted get insight as to what your guys 'immediate feelings are when you leave the room and are on the car ride home after these nights where you have a sense of "wow, I could have easily went broke tonight, but came out ahead. But damn what a grind that was. I'm starving and tired." During the session I am in the zone and cant even feel hunger and exhaustion, but immediately after I feel like trash, lol...
yesterday i had a -$475 session (2nd worst ever) where i thought i could of lost alot more but there was almost 0 tilt (ok one hand but i didnt lose much in it). When i left the casino i thought wow i could really off lost alot more money, i played soo solid, i was also exhasted but i was not starving b/c i did eat while i was playing.
10-28-2011 , 01:11 PM
Fun hand from last night. I'm in the SB with QQ 6-handed and it folds around to the BTN who is a loose-passive station and I'm like please call or raise please call or raise since I'm on a shortstack of like $80, but he folds. FACK. Fully intending to chop now I look over and the SB and say "chop?" and he's shakes his head no and the dealer informs me that this player never chops. Ok, that's cool, whatever, good to know. So I limp and immediately shove when he makes it $10 expecting to get called super light and he snaps with A9. flop 9, turn 9, LOL but a fun hand indeed.
10-28-2011 , 01:52 PM
My flatmate is opening a new bar today, I've been helping with the refurb for the last two weeks. Surely I have a few sklansky beers to claim! Poker free weekend?

Anyway, if I get temp banned, have a good weekend.
10-28-2011 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by fun101
yesterday i had a -$475 session (2nd worst ever) where i thought i could of lost alot more but there was almost 0 tilt (ok one hand but i didnt lose much in it). When i left the casino i thought wow i could really off lost alot more money, i played soo solid, i was also exhasted but i was not starving b/c i did eat while i was playing.
I take it your room doesn't serve at the tables? Mine if famous for that. Last night the special was chicken fettucini with super creamy sauce and brocolli.

It rooted me to the chair for 6 hours and then I got extremely gassy, but it was worth it.
10-29-2011 , 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking
I take it your room doesn't serve at the tables? Mine if famous for that. Last night the special was chicken fettucini with super creamy sauce and brocolli.

It rooted me to the chair for 6 hours and then I got extremely gassy, but it was worth it.
u misunterpreted my post, i was NOT starving b/c i did eat while i played.
@chicken fettunci: hmm sounds good
10-29-2011 , 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by fun101
u misunterpreted my post, i was NOT starving b/c i did eat while i played.
@chicken fettunci: hmm sounds good
oops. Yeah I did. I was projecting from my days in Detroit where there was no food at all in late night poker.
10-30-2011 , 10:09 AM
Good times at the home game last night! We were supposed to play 2/5, but the game was changed to 1/3 (lots of players not showing up due to parties, etc). Three new guys roll in who buy in for $200 each. All late 20s/mid-30s, really nice guys. Seemed to have been around a card table before, and look moderately competent.

They.Were.Not. They each set their $200 on fire and bailed pretty quickly. Favorite hand from that group:
Fishy villain limps a $10 straddle from MP, spewy lagtard villain I played with before raises it to $30 on the button, fishy villain calls.

Flop is A-6-3 rainbow. Fishy villain checks, lagtard checks. Lagtard's range here is ATC, as he fancies himself a big time player (usually good for dusting off two buy ins every time I see him though) and loves to gambool!

Turn is an 8 (I think this put a flush draw out there). Fishy villain checks. Lagtard bets $30. Fishy villain calls.

River is a 4, completes the rainbow. Fish villain checks. Lagtard bets $50. Fishy villain hesitates, and calls.
Lagtard says "What could you have here?" and flips over 78o.

Fishy villain stares at the board, and sadly says "I thought he was bluffing" and rolls over...J-9o.
I at first, and then quickly tell fishy villain I understand, and hey, sometimes you have to look a guy up so he can't push you around. This cut off the spewtard who was starting a lecture directed at fishy about what a terrible call that was.

A regular donk proceeds to go on a heater, and ran $300 into $800. Now mind you, I have played with this guy off and on since June, and he has NEVER cashed out with chips. EVER.
And let's just say...the streak is alive.
10-30-2011 , 06:19 PM
My local 1/2 game seems to play a lot bigger than anything I read on here, every night someone is up 2-3k with a max buyin of 200.
10-30-2011 , 08:17 PM
lol wat i want in
10-31-2011 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BigSkip
Fishy villain stares at the board, and sadly says "I thought he was bluffing" and rolls over...J-9o.
Ha, awesome. What, are there like 7 hands J9o can beat on this board? Lol.
10-31-2011 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Ha, awesome. What, are there like 7 hands J9o can beat on this board? Lol.
I that game. It had been a little dry lately, but Saturday was just a blast.

My hand of the night:

5-handed, 1/3

UTG: Bad regular/host ($280)
MP: Fish-who-was-on-a-heater-now-crashing ($185)
BTN: weak player, over values hands, not trick ($625)
SB: Me - generally considered TAG, BTN avoids me like I have the plague, Fishy fears me, but will call anyway. UTG knows I can make moves. ($480)
BB: Decent reg/host ($300)

UTG straddles for $10. If the table limps the straddle, he will raise 80% of his range. It is like clock work. As I have said about him, the only thing he loves more than big butts is dead money.
MP calls, BTN calls.

I have AKo. I decide to go for the limp/raise. If I just raise, I will get 3 callers, and pot will be big with me OOP. If I call, BB will call, and UTG will raise. MP and BTN will call, then I can repop and grab the dead money at the minimum. UTG can get spewy, and may call or shove with a weaker ace. Fishy may join the variance ride as well.

I call, BB calls, as predicted, UTG pops to $25 more. MP calls, BTN calls. Pot is $125 when it comes to me. I raise $125 more. I am thinking this likely takes it down, and if UTG gets spewy he is committed. Same with fishy. I am fairly certain BTN and BB fold to me. I love AKo against the range of the two fish in this spot, and I will gladly ride the variance train with them.

BB folds.
UTG...calls, leaving $120 behind.
MP...calls, leaving $25 behind (lol whut?)
BTN...taaaaaaaaanks. Holy crap. Did not expect that. Starts muttering to himself, and then looks upwards and folds.

POT: ($500+)
I shove dark. With the bad reg having $120 behind, there is no flop I am folding.
UTG snap calls.
Flop is A-6-3 (r)
MP folds and saves his $25.
Turn is an A.
River is offsuit 10.
I roll my AK. UTG starts cursing me about being a bully and playing stupid poker and mucks his hand. My guess is he had QQ.

BTN starts blabbering about folding his AJ, and how I would have doubled up when the second A hit. Well, poop.
11-02-2011 , 05:39 PM
Player seated directly to my right has the following characteristics:

- Regular
- Loose/Passive
- Seems obsessed with seeing flops. (Best guess VPIP is 80)
- Never 3bets
- Puts in too much money with mid-pair or better hands made on the flop.
- Has evolved to the point where he generally avoids 3bet pots without premium hands.

Dynamic I've encountered a couple times recently in what is normally a very passive 1/2 NL game:

Folded to decent reg in LP who opens to 10 (~top 30% of hands), Villain flats in SB, Hero is in BB.

The first two times this dynamic occurred with hands I would normally squeeze, I 3bet to 40 with AQs and JJ. LP opener folded once PF, and once to flop CB. Both times Villain grumbled and folded. More grumbling commenced when he saw one of the flops he missed.

After I shook off autopilot mode, I decided to just flat here with my entire 3betting range. My primary reasons for this were:

1) Fear that villain would become agitated and I would lose The Jesus Seat.
2) I could make up a decent amount of lost PF profits with post-flop play and villain's call-y nature.

I'm curious if anyone here agrees with my thought process.
11-02-2011 , 08:04 PM
my 1/2 table was awesome the other day too. funniest hand was 1.2k pot, 10 4o vs 52o 9JJ2 board all in on the turn. standard preflop raise was 30. no need for two plus two advice as optimal strategy was, wait for a premium, get it in, and pray they brick out.
11-03-2011 , 11:59 PM
Question - do you guys have a point where you just ignore your live read because you are so committed? I played a hand today where I opened for $10 MP with KK, 3 callers, I c-bet $30 on 245 r, guy to my immediate left does a major hollywood sigh so I know he thinks he has the nuts, but effective stacks are like $120 on the turn with a pot of $100.
11-04-2011 , 12:09 AM
On list for 2/4 (400 max) and 3/6 (no max), so play pretty different. No 3/6 game running but get called to new game starting. Bad looking line up (I pay 5% rake up to 20E) so tough games are a huge no no. Buy in for 30BB min, since I know this is definitely still +EV while I wait for a different table.

First hand I'm BB, HJ 25, CO 80, SB flats, all fold.

Flop J high dry, SB checks, CO 120, SB calls. Turn J, SB shoves 300 more, CO sigh calls.
CO KK, SB J6o. I've got the god seat WOOOO HOOOO

Pull enough out my pocket to cover SB.

Next hand, 1 limper, spazz calls from the button and I try to complete the small with A2o. Like a ****** I somehow get confused having just added chips to the table and throw in three 10s instead of three 1s. Limper and spazz call. Flop A high, I c bet and win 70E

Next hand, all fold to Spazz who limps, I raise A4o OTB to 30 and we go the the flop HU.
Flop AT2dd. I bet 50, call. turn a 7. I bet 100, he tank calls. River 8. He donks 300. I tank call. He open mucks and leaves table disgusted. I show the 4 for the lols and leave to go to the best 2/4 game ever.

These brief moments are gold.

Last hand of the night I call 10BB on the river and get shown bottom pair no kicker.

These moments suck.

Last edited by quesuerte; 11-04-2011 at 12:14 AM.
11-04-2011 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by XXsooted
Question - do you guys have a point where you just ignore your live read because you are so committed? I played a hand today where I opened for $10 MP with KK, 3 callers, I c-bet $30 on 245 r, guy to my immediate left does a major hollywood sigh so I know he thinks he has the nuts, but effective stacks are like $120 on the turn with a pot of $100.
No i totally trust strong hollywood ****** stuff.
11-04-2011 , 12:21 AM
Only problem there is the hollywood ****** stuff could be with something you beat.
11-04-2011 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Only problem there is the hollywood ****** stuff could be with something you beat.
True. I feel like in this specific situation KK is probably behind his "hollywood" range. Of course we have to factor in the chance that my read is off for w/e reason but I still felt kinda dumb when I shoved and he snapped.
11-04-2011 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by XXsooted
True. I feel like in this specific situation KK is probably behind his "hollywood" range. Of course we have to factor in the chance that my read is off for w/e reason but I still felt kinda dumb when I shoved and he snapped.
Might be okay to check and see what he does? 245Xr isn't the drawiest board in the world, so with over pot OTT it might not be criminal to check if we've got a strong read. Doubt there's worse than KK in his "hollywooding range" on this board TBH. <pot OTT and I think we have to suck it up and shove, though.

      
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