smells like dead fish in this forum right now

Thank you for the sanity check.

i'm still curious about digger's pooh-bah: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...clinic-564111/

he claims to have played 10.5/8.5 over 25k hands at 50NL online (this was in 2009) and basically nitted it up multi-tabling 1000 hands an hour with a 9BB/hour winrate.

that means he was making $40/hour at .25/.50 in 2009 playing like 12 tables, playing completely ABC

i'm rusty on my online stuff, but seems like he just ran well.

I didn't read the entire post, but it looks fairly basic so unless he's leaving out a bunch of his real strategy, I have a hard time believing that win-rate is sustainable with ABC poker. I don't think it still would be in 2011 at 50nl at least, I don't know how much better the games have really gotten, but it seems to be a lot.

Sometimes, when you're playing a LAG, he flops quads when you flop a full house, and it makes you sad.

I believe that digger ran well over that period. That works out to be 4 ptBB/100 which is well better even the top players at 50nl made in 2010 when PTR started keeping stats in the micros for the full year. That said, virtually every top player at 50nl had stats quite close to 11/9 and would make about 2.5ptBB/100. They maybe didn't play quite as nitty as digger recommended, but they weren't playing LAG either.

I'll note that digger also played live at the time and I'm confident he wouldn't recommend this strategy for live play.

agreed. the lineup is just so different than what you'd see at 50NL

ya, because you're playing only one table you need to find every concievable way to boost your profitability.

when did this becomes the fishiest subforum on 2p2?

AQoop? Its a losing play in live low stakes/online. There is no money in the pot preflop. Raising small puts you in bad spots 4 or 5 way. Raising large, puts you in a bad spot oop vs a caller in position with a strong holding. @808 raising A10o utg is suicide, I think most here just like to talk and make themselves feel better because their utg range is loose. A solid player loose/tight always has a snug/polarized utg range. Stop playing your cards and focus on position. If not your just like the rest of the donkey's at the table.

What's the difference between AQ and AK UTG really? I mean, we're almost always folding both to a 3bet when we raise them UTG, when we're flatted, we almost always proceed the same way OTF, the only difference is that sometimes we get flatted by AK when we have AQ rather than having it chop, but obviously if you have any comfort in your post-flop play, you're not going to go broke every time this is the case. I think low stakes forums advocate folding AQ because they deal with new players who don't have comfort in their post-flop play... In reality, I don't see how it's a big difference. AJ is usually my cut-off for UTG. A10 seems a little loose, and at that point, I'd rather have something like 89ss. AQ is the nuts from any position if you consistently get called by A2-AJ don't you think?

AK has a lot more equity against a typical live 3bet range (JJ+, AK). if we did get 3bet, AK is much more playable post-flop than AQ, because if the other player has AK, we can value-own ourselves with AQ, whereas it won't happen like that if we hold AK. as well as the fact that if we hit a Q with AQ we're losing to KK.

depending on the size of the 3bet and stack sizes, i will often flat with AK and see a flop, whereas against most players AQ is probably a muck from OOP. especially AQo.

I have never won a pot at showdown by flipping over my position. And most good games, the type you should be in, see a lot of showdowns.

That is correct but it isn't a problem. 3bets at 1/2 and 2/5 are rare enough that you can usually dump AQ to them. The % of players who would 3bet light over an utg open is miniscule.

Legendary quote. hahahahhaha

This is a load of crap. I figure you played not more than 15h live. There's no money to be earned pre-flop except by rare squeeze plays. Live loose games aren't online 6-max.

If you can't play AQo from UTG profitably on these tables, clearly you are the fish.

This friday I was $1k up, then I got drunk and left $170 behind. I cried on the way back home, drunk, dumb and sad.

Why is life's coaching so hard and expensive?

Now I wanna laugh nonstop. Guess I'm becoming crazy

A recent-ish session I was playing in the most drunken LAGtastic $1/2 game ever. My friend was up $2000 and I was up around $750, then he says "hey you wanna start drinking?" I think "why not?" with the intent of having 1 or 2 beers to lighten the mood. 6 beers later I'm down to $500 and lose all but about $50 where I made a horrendous river call. Moral of the story? Drinking and playing is bad.

So do you have any data that AQo is profitable UTG? If not, why speak. Its not about who can play what hands for pride value, I can care less about pride. I'm talking clear facts, AQo is losing over time utg, proven fact.

shut up.

wow, this honestly proves the point. what are you talking about data? raising AQ utg is not a math problem. at some point you have to depart the math of standard opening ranges and all that crap and just play poker ffs. nobody is taking the time to calculate their profit margin for each hand in each position, it's just absurd. this is the way players fall into a template and never evolve past 50nl online.

I would like to know if you are someone that does take the time to look left during hands, and in particular seating in a spot where looking left is relatively easy (i.e not seats 9 or 10)

If nitty Mcnit is loading up a raise, then ldo AQo is not going to be profitable vs a relatively tight range that Mcnit either flats or raises you with, as well as leading to a ****load of RIO spots.

Fact is, provided we aren't absolutely nuking the pot preflop to 8x or 10x preflop UTG, the hands we get action by the bad loose players (which should describe most of our opposition at the right table) AQ should absolutely crush, such as QJs, weak suited aces and ATo and AJo. I know when I first started, was positionally unaware and in general sucked, I called raises that came from EP with those kind of hands, and occasinally still do vs the right opponent (though for different reasons compared to now)

Additionally PokahBlows, you speak of facts of AQo being a loser UTG, rather then having us prove our statement, why not try and prove your hypothesis instead?

why feed the troll?

it's mind boggling how 2 sentences from pokahblows seems to be enough to derail threads for like 2 pages or more every time

I found the best table I'd seen in 3 months tonight. One classic maniac was in every hand leading at every pot. I was rewarded by winning one pot in 7 dealer downs.

When they are cold calling 5x raises with 45s or Q10o, it suffices to say I'd be happy playing AQ utg.