Took a 1 buyin shot at a bigger NL game at a local room tonight... ended up having to make the most embarrassing entry in my poker log EVAR:

15 minutes, -$400

Lost set over set my first orbit and left. Next time maybe I should bring more money.

lol, better then one of mine from a few years ago when i trialled a 2bi a day rule

-2bi, 5 minutes

A7 < 55 on a 775 flop x turn
2 card nut flush < 2 card straight flush

Them .10/.25 live games will eat you up buddy... theres no money to be made, everyone is solid!

Glad to see you did not take your windfall straight to the 5/10 tables. Just remember that feeling of being super rolled for your current game, its really a great feeling.

Actually I did play 5/10 one night I was in Vegas. Now granted I have a sample size of 1 table, but it was a tougher game than 100NL online. Mostly 100NL plays at level 3, the 5/10 table I was at was definitely on level 4. I was having a bitch of a time handreading. But I did book a small win.

All this "fast losses" talk reminds me of this one time at band camp... 1/2 game, I give $200 to the chip runner and while waiting for my chips I look down at JJ and raise. A guy in the blinds 3bets so I say "all in". He tanks and tanks and tanks and tanks and finally calls. I figure we're flipping but he turns up KK. When the chiprunner shows up with my chips I give him another $200 and tell him to "give these to that guy".

The dude played like 4 more hands all night. If I had any idea how much of a nit he was... *sigh*.

I did turn the session into a winner tho.

Meh, bad sample size

I think you will be competitive at 5/10, it will just take time. IME, the variance in skill level in 5/10 games varies very widely. Sometimes you get a table with 8 other people that are playing down, likely are 2+2 HSNL regs that just can't seem to get a 25/50/100 game going that night. Other times you are sitting with office managers of some paper company in town for a convention and are only playing 5/10 because they have a hard time taking a $500 gambol seriously.

Most of the time its somewhere in between. I like to think of it this way... Up until you start playing 5/10 you have always looked for the players to avoid at the table, now at 5/10+ you are looking for the exploitable players and hope a fish sits at some point. While that can be a little extreme and with good game selection you will always have multiple fish on the table, if you have limited selection and play a lot, better be ready to play above the felt a far amount.

I think it also matters whether it is the "big game" in the room and if there are other tables like it close by. If it is the big game and there isn't another 5/10 within 40 miles, it is going to be tougher than a place where there are 3 5/10 tables going with one 10/20 table and two other places close by that can also support 5/10.

On a completely LC another note, I really liked that Phil Laak broke the record by playing 10/20 at the Bellagio. He has a good sense of humor about himself.

Damn it, I want this NC/LC thread to thrive, so anyway, a random musing...

I learnt something today (think South Park reference) when I was playing, and it was all thanks watching one fish I have played with completely change her own game...

I have played with this particular fish a number of times, both in 2/3NL and the Burswood 10 limit game. She is kinda bad, plays to many hands, is usually pretty passive, and is in general a fish. Also, she usually gives a post hand rundown on her thinking and why she did this and that. As such, I love being on her tables and she is AFAIK a pretty big loser in the games...

But today, she got aggressive. Still kind of passive preflop, still played too many hands in unfavourable circumstances and positions, but all of a sudden she began turning on the heat, and she even 3bet a one pair hand after I flop c/r in a semi-squeeze. She donked the pot into me on a T97 board when I had KK, and I seriously think I screwed that hand on ever street. Other hands I would have a hand like TPGK and would normally bet/bet/check or b/b/b or whatever, but now I have to do things like folding, which sucks when you are used to deciding between betting and checking like I am...

FWIW the KK hand... I think this was the start or close to the start of her getting all aggressive on me...

She limps, one more limp, I make it 18, blinds and everyone else bar her calls, and we see a flop

POT: 44 T97dd She donks 40. We were both 100BB plus deep, so I decide to raise the turn.

TURN: 9. She donks 40 again. Again I flat like a pansy

RIVER A: She donks 40 again. Again I flat like a pansy.

She turns over AT for the headshot. The actual hand, while I dont mind comments, isnt the point. The pont was her aggression put me in a lot of ugly spots today, when normally I would be the one doing the wafflecrushing...

That seriously hurt today. I feel like I was buttraped despite posting a 2BI win...

ashley, aggression wins in poker.

A while back, Jedi Speed Racer was a regular on the micro forum. I had played him some, and he had a reputation of a being a multi-tabling nit. His strat posts followed that rep. One night, I sat at his table and he c/r me. I folded. 4 hands later, same thing. Meanwhile, I watching my HUD on him slowly start to move up. I adjusted quickly, but his game completely changed after that.

He now lives in the small stakes forums while I linger in the muck here. Another thing for me to ponder.

As for advice, keep an eye on her. People who able to change their game are dangerous, because they want to improve. Most live players at 1/2 don't.

Definitely keep an eye on her Ash. If she sustains this trend, then Venice is right, she has a clue and is capable of learning. But if it was more or less a one off, go back and try to figure out why she changed and be prepared for the next time she goes off on you.

Cheers for the help. I left my session slightly earlier then normal, one because I arrived earlier, and had played the 6 hours Im trying to average at the moment rather then my semi-delirious 24hr sessions I used to run. But it really intrigued me as to what caused her to play back at me, and whether its going to continue.

Should quit IMO, no money in LLSNL, everyone is solid

Another random musing I talked with someone tonight. I had thought about it before, but it actually came up tonight in a hand...

I raise AJo somewhere early and get 3 callers all of whom are behind me.

FLOP: J24. I bet 45 into around 65 and get two folds then a shove for around 200 or so total.... The question isnt the call or the shove, but would having the As in this spot change your thinking on the hand, obv having the As is another 4% or so in equity (backdoor outs FTW) but reduces the number of semi-bluff combos he can have substantially...

Obv this depends on villian and whether they would semi-bluff shove or not, but anyway, a random thought...

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obviously player dependent. kinda hard to get away from with the draw out there. im only folding here if the guy is an absolute nit. Ace of spades would help, we have runner runner flush and straight possibilities, only hand we are really afraid of is a set of 4's or ducks.

im getting it in most times, even without the a of spades. doesnt really change my thinking that much.

Hopaefully u guys aren't talking bout me when it comes to bad advice.

Ashley, I think you should raise the turn in the first hand.

Yes.

That was my plan for blank turns, then to take a free showdown or vb river if a blank drops. However, it wasnt a great turn and i didnt really want to fold if either donked into on the river or reraised.... The main thing was this aggression ambushed me to an extent, which was a shock from a normally passive fish....

That sucks.

Yes.

Kurt you need to link your COTW TR in the llsnl forum. I accidentally stumbled across it and its a very good read. I love hearing how luckboxes bink donkaments. Gives me hope! Seriously tho linky to on the forum

I was just about to post the same thing. Complete with a guest appearance from the greatest NL player, Phil Helmuth, folding his raise to Kurt's aggression.

LOL me and my local cardroom today...

So I played last night as mentioned... I initially withdrew $600 to play with as per usual, and eventually left up a couple hundred and re-deposited into my account at the room (which operates more or less as a safe) All easy...

I go to play tonight, and as usual go to the cashier to withdraw my $600. Two people rather then one come over to ratify the withdrawal, which is rather odd... A security guard comes over, rut roh... trouble brewing...

Turns out there was a mistake in my last deposit, and that they need to check their receipts to see if there is anything on there that explains an issue with the last withdrawal... Maybe I deposited $1900 rather then $900... or maybe I have overdrawn (lol, given that the balance in this particular account is well over my withdrawal...) Im asked to eventually check my receipts, which is convenient because my wallet is full of old McDonalds, gas stations and poker reciepts...

As I dig I find.......



LOL live poker...

Ash that is crazy. Would they have been so diligent in hunting you down if you were 900 short instead?

Apperently at the end of the day they were -$900, and once all transactions for that amount were studied, I guess Im the obvious answer.

It was weird to an extent talking to the various pitbosses about it. Not sure exactly what rights I had to the money, but Im sure if I refused to hand it over, a 12 month ban or permaban or whatever could have been laid against me...

On the weekend a friend of mine shoved the river, and the villian said call. He tabled the goods, he refused to hand over the calling amount, which ended up with him being banned for 12 months from the casino, and my mate getting more then 100% of a "refund" in terms of comps etc... The amount he was owed?????

That is one of the things I love about LV, there it is a criminal act, i.e. the police get called if someone refused to pay a wager.

I guess casino security would handle it for a poker game. Did they confisticate the villain's chips?