Is 2x5 PLO = 5-card omaha??

Yep, 5 hole cards, 2 play. Its even more fun when you make it a "ocean" game, i.e. 6 board cards. Still have to make the best 5 card hand. Yes I am sick and twisted.

There's a lot of ways to evaluate a game, but a simple one is the KQ test.If you raise and get called by a typical player, are you happy or worried?

first big live tournament this week for me, the $1,100 main event for the sapphire series in perth australia. Hopefully i run good.....

I like this a lot.

I am still decompressing afte getting to play live last week for the first time since Memorial Day.
In one 7 hour session, I went from playing great to playing poorly. Cashed out up $200 ($1/2, $200 max buy-in at Wheeling Island in WV), after being up $500 just a few of hours in.

The good - my early play was very strong, I read my table well, and managed to fold QQ preflop against a limp reraise (limp/reraiser had AA, another player had 9-9, and a third had JJ - I was the only fold pre). Made some nice value bets.

The bad - did not get my stack in with a set against aces up, made some marginal calls that I normally walk away from that ended up costing me big, and tilted a bit by the end.

I did manage to identify one of my leaks related to the marginal calls, and I think I will be able to clean my game up a bit before my next trip to Tunica. I do desperately need to find a decent home game around Atlanta though.

This is sweet. Great insight.

F me man... is this forum just getting lol bad or what with some of these posts?????? ffs just sayin' ... I have seen more bet for information, bet to protect, dont play optimally, bs more than I ever have.... and a lot of people are eating it up...



I think some of you know who I am talking about to....

/rant

late to discussion but at the beginning of the series when I was in Vegas the games were so effin tight it wasn't even funny. People folding to 2.5-3x raises in 1/2 ... I couldnt believe my eyes. Wish I could of found the games Kurt was talking about. I think i table changed like 20 times.

Interesting. I will join with the cool kids and say I like that a lot.

I can't decide if I haven't been as interested lately, or if some of the posts are worse. I don't think the quality of the discussion is as strong as it was 2 months ago, but I guess that is to be expected.

Just back from 3 days of live poker. Ez game is ez.

1 interesting hand I'll post here.

500nl

Hero: $850
Villain: $500

folds to Hero, Hero raises $20, BTN calls, blinds fold

Flop: J 9 6
Pot:$47

Hero bets $30, BTN calls

Turn: 7
Pot: $107

Hero checks, BTN bet $50, Hero calls

River: 3
Pot: $207

Hero checks, BTN bets $200, Hero calls

Hero: 8 8
BTN: A T


Literally there were only 2 hands on any interest in the 30 hours of play. This one of them.

nice call. His turn bet seemed odd?

a bunch of things

I forgot how much info you get in live poker. This was his first orbit at table. He was younger (under 30), was wearing sunglasses and a sideways white hat with a flat brim, had a well trimmed goatee and a black Tapout style t-shirt (all of this mattered btw). He made a bit of a stutter step with his chips when he bet the river and announced out loud the amount, which he had never done before. The stutter step could be for show with a monster, but it didn't seem like it was. After he made the bet he froze and was breathing pretty heavily. All of this combined with the fact that it was unlikely that he would bet any 1 pair hand this large on river and all draws missed. And his turn and river betsizes were inconsistent with each other.

I just tanked for a bit and called.

This is a beginner's forum and bad advice is part of the package. When it started, you had mainly people who combined the analytical portion of on-line play with observation skills of live players. With time, live players are coming to this forum and for the most part lack the analytical fundamentals. They only improve because someone explains what they are doing wrong. Long term, most of us will burn out from repeating for the 2000th time, "if he raises you on the river, he's got the near nuts so often you can't afford to call."

Oh, I know, I know... just getting annoying that the bad play is turning into gospel. Any good advice is almost shunned because the bad advice sounds exactly like what they do now so it must be right.... ugh. Then you get these "mini-COTM"/theory like threads that make no sense at all and are just bad... and they are getting applauded!

Starting to see why the online guys say what they say about live players and their thought process...

W/e... just wanted to steam for a minute. I'm moving up in stakes just so I can post in the Med-High section...

And your raises will get respect!

I dont know... the time I played it didn't seem to far off of what 1/2 and 2/5 looked like... at this was at the Venetian when they have around 7 tables going and a lot of the players were pros and regs.... I was like wow really, I need a bigger bankroll, I could do this fo sho. Of course isnt that how shot taking always goes? You think man this crap is easy.... then your broll disappears.

Low post count and joined in 2010 is usually correlated with bad advice. So my theory is either these guys just started playing and don't realize they suck, or just started posting and haven't figured out how to articulate their winning methods. Or they are troll joke accounts. Or intentionally posting bad advice because they don't want too many people to learn how to beat ez games.
I think they are catching their fair share of flak, though. Bad advice certainly isn't passing without criticism.

I don't think this warrants a whole thread, and no one said low-content, so here we go...also I think the advice in this thread is far more solid generally since a lot more regs respond (in keeping with the current topic). That's not to say there aren't a lot of "unreg" posters who don't give good advice, but the signal-noise ratio is better.

Playing strong hands oop, always hate it myself as I find I hate half the decisions I make even if they seem right.
Game is 3-5 NL, hero has 750, villain covers. Villain likes to limp-call a lot, hasn't been seen bluffing a lot but isn't terribly tight either. Pretty standard loose-passive but can VB, can raise, and I have seen one river bluff from him previously against a wild-aggro player. My image is pretty aggro.

Hero has AA in the BB

Villain limps, 3 others limp, SB completes, hero raises to 35 (trying to keep SPR very high or very low oop...obv this is right in the middle and poor, was expecting 2 callers) ...definitely tinkering with this), only villain calls.
Pot 90ish

J92
I bet 70 villain calls.

Pot 230
8
I bet 170 villain calls

Pot 570
7
I check villain bets 150, I call.

On the river the odds were just to great to fold, but then again I bet nearly nothing. Str got there, flush got there. I have a bad track record of trying to B/F, and b/f like 200 (putting in 470 total of my 750 stack and folding...or 200 of my 480ish stack on the river to fold) seems sort of poor as well.

River I'd rather check/shove than call. Obviously with stack sizes as they are check/shoving is pretty bad too though. Folding is easily the best option.

I think you kind of screwed yourself by betting pot/near-pot on the flop and turn. SPR doesn't have to be as precise live since live players will rarely register what the true potsize is. You can bet less on the flop and turn and wait for a safe river to jam, and still get called as often even if it ends up being a slight overshove. It'll reduce your variance and keep you from ending up in dumb spots like this where you're getting a really good price on the river but also beating almost nothing and feeling semi-committed.

I'd raise more like $75 pf to get the SPR right and narrow the field. I'd check the turn when half of his range hits. Yes, you're giving a free card, but I'm willing to risk it to open up the villain's range. It feels bad, but players at this level aren't thinking a post oak bluff is going to work, so you're beat 100% of the time when the bet is that small on the river.

check/shove means check-raise all in on the river?

Steamy,

I've been getting owned with big hands recently so I'm in a "don't **** around with AA" mode these days. I make it $40 pre, but $35 isn't bad.

I think you have to fold the river. I mean, EVERYTHING got there... one card straight, the flush, tons rando 2p and the like.

I'm definitely still working on recognizing when the board ain't yers and getting away from hands, and it sucks doing something as weak as check/folding after putting so much money in, but I think its correct.

An alternate line that will get you to showdown more is to check the turn, but I'm not sure if its better... there's still a ton of value in betting there.

Steamy,

I agree with Kurt, the safe path is a fold. Some small amount of the time I am going to look them up, as there are a lot of top pair/one pair types hands in his line.

River is a fold IMO, unless villian is going to try and bet one pair as either value or a bluff, as everything got there. Im not super sure about how people are saying check the turn is right though... Its close and villian dependent IMO...

IMO making it 110 on the turn, and 140 on the river might be better and get paid by jacks, without checking the turn. This assumes a b/f however, and I too cant really handle taking this line recently either...

Anyway, first major tournament was today... This is the hastily written TR from another forum which is mostly a sports one