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06-20-2010 , 05:41 PM
any live 1/2,2/5 grinder with some spare time?

I'm trying to get back into the grind but i'm having some problems and a couple questions that needs to be answered. I took some massive beatings before i took a break. I'm coming back on the online grind with success but the live tables i just feel so @_@ when i sit in.
06-20-2010 , 05:47 PM
post hands, ask questions

Its what the forum is for...
06-20-2010 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by KurtSF
If you really want to dig into the meat of it, look for the "shortacking illuminati" thread in FRuNL by MyTurn2Raise.

Also, there's a decent chance that next month's COTM will be about dealing with shortstacks. I'll have a thread up today getting the COTM stuff nailed down.
It starts here at post 103. This is a good thread to start with, but you have some homework afterwords.

Shortstacking live for a living is a poor way to go. Even on-line, the best short-stackers don't make the same return as those playing with 100BB+. They make up for it in volume.

I think this thread pretty much covers handling a short stacker at our level. A short stacker live is just bad, whether they are tight or loose.
06-21-2010 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by venice10
Huh? I haven't even posted a HH on this forum.
Didn't mean you. I meant other threads
06-21-2010 , 12:45 AM
Hey I have a question. I am a small winning nl25FR player, well I play sngs mostly now becuase its better money but just saying I know my way around full-ring ranges.

I play in a local 1/2/2 5 to go game sometimes and feel like I am super nitty in it. I wouldn't consider myself a FR nit at nl25 I probably play something like 15/12 and like >50% of my buttons.

What are the major adjustments I should be making to live play? I mean the the players are terrible, even considering that my regular game is nl25 or nl50.

Also, any way to get over my scared moneyness? I am pretty overrolled for a live game that I buy into for 200~. losing a few buy ins wouldn't be noticable so I don't know why I am so nervous/scared about it.
06-21-2010 , 03:10 AM
Is this in the bay area? Rake or time?

BTW I'm drunk and itching for an internet fight! Gogogogogogo.
06-21-2010 , 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Youngplayer9
Hey I have a question. I am a small winning nl25FR player, well I play sngs mostly now becuase its better money but just saying I know my way around full-ring ranges.

I play in a local 1/2/2 5 to go game sometimes and feel like I am super nitty in it. I wouldn't consider myself a FR nit at nl25 I probably play something like 15/12 and like >50% of my buttons.

What are the major adjustments I should be making to live play? I mean the the players are terrible, even considering that my regular game is nl25 or nl50.

Also, any way to get over my scared moneyness? I am pretty overrolled for a live game that I buy into for 200~. losing a few buy ins wouldn't be noticable so I don't know why I am so nervous/scared about it.
A couple of things don't add up. A 15/12 FR generally isn't playing over half their hands on the button. If you are, you're probably too tight in MP. You say you're overrolled. The standard bankroll size is 20BIs, or $4,000. I'd consider overrolled to be more like $6,000. If you have that, then getting over the scared money will just take time. If you don't, then you aren't overrolled.

One reason you may be struggling is that live is a post flop game. SNGs are preflop games. You probably aren't using your post flop skills all that often.
06-21-2010 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
A couple of things don't add up. A 15/12 FR generally isn't playing over half their hands on the button. If you are, you're probably too tight in MP. You say you're overrolled. The standard bankroll size is 20BIs, or $4,000. I'd consider overrolled to be more like $6,000. If you have that, then getting over the scared money will just take time. If you don't, then you aren't overrolled.

One reason you may be struggling is that live is a post flop game. SNGs are preflop games. You probably aren't using your post flop skills all that often.
I guess I should say 50% of unopened pots on my button?

And I am overrolled. I think i just need to stop being a nit lol. And ya I mean I feel like I still have a solid postflop games, I just think I need to grind more and get used to it. Lot of spots I felt like I was giving villians too much credit and such.
06-21-2010 , 08:15 PM
Is it just me or I experience a lot more bad beats and bad runs at the live tables than online.

I've gotten crushhhed with some raggy hands like 8/9 or j/4 against AA/KK or sometimes i'll hit 2p move all in against a draw and get crushed. I use a 25bi for online but seriously need a 40-50 BI for live. I'm running on a 20bi for live and it's hitting me hard .. i only bring 2-3bi per session.

Last session i got KK cracked going AIPF vs AK, AJ, and A5 (A/5 was short stack) but seriously...
Then flopped 2p with A/9 and got busted by a guy drawing with a 6-hi flush who shoved on turn to catch riv.

Maybe it's because of the low hand/hr which makes it's harder for the runs to even themselves out.
06-21-2010 , 10:11 PM
You'll also have more people getting it all in behind against you, which gives them more chances to suck out. Better to get sucked out on a lot (you're getting your money in ahead) than to be the one sucking out (getting it in behind).
06-22-2010 , 07:01 PM
I just stopped at a store and saw a guy wearing a 'Superman' T-Shirt, 'Superman' hat and he had a 'Superman' key ring on his belt. I walked outside and in his car he had a 'Superman' emblem hanging from his rear view mirror and 'Superman' seat covers (in his Intrepid)... I got some pictures of the car but this guy is pretty ****ing big so I'm gonna pass on taking his picture lol...

God I wish I knew Karate or some **** cause I'd pick a fight with him just so I could tell everyone that I kicked 'Superman's' ass. Honestly, I'm a pretty tough guy (won a few more fights than I've lost) but I wouldn't feel confident that I could knock this guy out if I hit him over the back of the head with a ****ing chair (WWE style)... That said, I still think it takes a special kind of douche to wear all that ****.
06-22-2010 , 07:57 PM
I can just hear it in a couple of weeks after karma catches up to you...

The villain is a big guy with a Superman hat, tee shirt and is using this little metal Superman figure as a card cap. He is playing every hand, and its like he card see thru the cards, because he always makes the right play... He stacked me twice already, but I am getting a lead lined card cap before I come back.

LMAO

BTW having been in the martial arts for most of my adult life, I can tell that most "black belts" would be poorly matched against an experienced street fighter.
06-22-2010 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Percula
I can tell that most "black belts" would be poorly matched against an experienced street fighter.
Get me drunk and I'd kick his ass (or hit him with a beer bottle.)

Last edited by KneedUrDough; 06-22-2010 at 09:48 PM.
06-22-2010 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by KneedUrDough
Get me drunk and I'd kick his ass (or hit him with a beer bottle.)
My freshman year of college, I may or may not have been involved in an incident at a bar called the Library, that culimnated in me breaking a beer bottle on a table (sadly after a few tries - that is harder than it looks), breaking my thumb on the floor (tripped and fell), and breaking the aforementioned table on the way out (maybe around the same time I fell and broke my thumb). Turns out the person I was wanting to fight had left 5 minutes earlier. Probably for the best.
06-23-2010 , 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by KneedUrDough
I just stopped at a store and saw a guy wearing a 'Superman' T-Shirt, 'Superman' hat and he had a 'Superman' key ring on his belt. I walked outside and in his car he had a 'Superman' emblem hanging from his rear view mirror and 'Superman' seat covers (in his Intrepid)... I got some pictures of the car but this guy is pretty ****ing big so I'm gonna pass on taking his picture lol...

God I wish I knew Karate or some **** cause I'd pick a fight with him just so I could tell everyone that I kicked 'Superman's' ass. Honestly, I'm a pretty tough guy (won a few more fights than I've lost) but I wouldn't feel confident that I could knock this guy out if I hit him over the back of the head with a ****ing chair (WWE style)... That said, I still think it takes a special kind of douche to wear all that ****.
You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger
And you don't mess around with Jim
06-24-2010 , 08:26 PM
Kurt is Vegas (moderating from his phone) so we can do whatever we want!

Make another deep run Bro!!!
06-24-2010 , 08:33 PM
anyone here playing at the seattle area casinos? I've been playing at the Muck lately(3-5SL). I'm headed up to Tulalip for a change of scenery..
06-25-2010 , 12:25 AM
I am a HU player but I just came back from my first trip to Vegas and while I feel I definitely have a decent edge at the tables I know my ranges are probably out of whack for a $1/$2 or $1/$3 table. I don't have any experience playing at a full table..when I did play cash it was 6max so when I'm playing live I feel confused whether limping or raising small or medium pocket pairs in certain positons or at certain tables are most profitable or what the bottom of my EP opening range should be and much more situations like this..basically I am not confident in my preflop strategy in these games and would like a basic set of ranges that I can then adjust on my own given the conditions.

Are there any books that are accurate for teaching how to crush the small stakes live games? I am very comfortable post flop and it's not an issue at all I would just like to have a solid gameplan preflop. Any help would be appreciated.
06-25-2010 , 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Newff
I am a HU player but I just came back from my first trip to Vegas and while I feel I definitely have a decent edge at the tables I know my ranges are probably out of whack for a $1/$2 or $1/$3 table. I don't have any experience playing at a full table..when I did play cash it was 6max so when I'm playing live I feel confused whether limping or raising small or medium pocket pairs in certain positons or at certain tables are most profitable or what the bottom of my EP opening range should be and much more situations like this..basically I am not confident in my preflop strategy in these games and would like a basic set of ranges that I can then adjust on my own given the conditions.

Are there any books that are accurate for teaching how to crush the small stakes live games? I am very comfortable post flop and it's not an issue at all I would just like to have a solid gameplan preflop. Any help would be appreciated.
Professional NLHE is good enough. Not sure about the second book. Honestly if your postflop play is good it won't matter too much what you chose pf.
06-25-2010 , 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking
Professional NLHE is good enough. Not sure about the second book. Honestly if your postflop play is good it won't matter too much what you chose pf.
Thanks, what about Harrington on Cash? Was that meant for online play or live full ring?
06-25-2010 , 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Newff
Thanks, what about Harrington on Cash? Was that meant for online play or live full ring?
HOC unfortunately is a muddle. It jerks from writing about the basics to randomizing your action and bet sizing (only needed when playing tough, known players). There's a section on playing weak tables (essentially the micros on-line and 1/2 live), but that feels like it was just an afterthought after the first draft was submitted.

An extremely detailed analysis of the series can be found here.

I have lots of poker books. Doing it over again, I'd just buy one on a subject of learning a game that was respected and work to understand the author's method of playing. After that, you're best off going to the forums and reading the stickies and threads to modify that style to suit you. No $30 mass market book is going to give you an insight that other books in that range won't give you as well.
06-25-2010 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by KurtSF
dealing with shortstacks.
Catch up with 'em in the parking lot and kick the crap out of them?

Ugh.

The only good thing is they are cheap to pay off. In Vegas limit games, we say "all in always wins." They just don't win much.
06-25-2010 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by hoplo
Is it just me or I experience a lot more bad beats and bad runs at the live tables than online.
Everyone knows live games are fixed.

(Say it at a live table and see who's an Internet player with chops.)
06-25-2010 , 04:51 PM
huh? did MT2R make a thread into his personal blog? Why didn't he just make a blog and link it?

Of course. you get demerit points for 'spamming your blog' if you do that in a nitty mod's territtory.
06-29-2010 , 06:30 AM
I go away for the weekend and the chat thread moves to page 3 bump.

      
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