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Old 03-19-2019, 02:45 PM   #342351
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MORE.

Be meaner to each other. Thread gets better when insults are directed as opposed to general statements.

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I actually really like squid, he was always a cool guy to me and very helpful.
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Old 03-19-2019, 02:45 PM   #342352
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Yeah, personally I’m not too proud to say that I don’t overlimp A-Js in EP or MP, and I’m usually looking to smash the board super hard, or continue cautiously the times that I hit top pair. It makes a lot of sense in live games that you’d want to keep dominated suites cards in, because that’s a good chance to stack someone, which is better than raising 5-6x and potentially just ending up heads up against a V with A-Qo.

I don’t do this as a rule like GG though, it mostly depends on the kind of range that I think UTG/EP player/s are likely to limp with. Some players are better to raise imo.
For me the key is that MP simply ain't LP, and LP is Button (and to a big extent CO unless there is a Button straddle), and anything other than that there are just too many people still to act (plus who can end up in position on us). From the HJ at a 10 handed table, 4 out of our 5 opponents haven't stated what they want to do yet; from the LJ, there's more opponents still to react than have reacted. I used to think in terms of EP versus MP versus LP, but now I think more in terms of LP versus everything else.

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Old 03-19-2019, 02:48 PM   #342353
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So, who in chat is familiar with tableau?

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Nah homie.

Some teams use it I think. But the ones I deal with are fairly tech savvy so they usually build their own visualizations using python in python notebooks.
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Old 03-19-2019, 02:53 PM   #342354
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I don't think overlimping is the best path to likely being IP post flop.
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Old 03-19-2019, 02:56 PM   #342355
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NYY

Mike Trout extended for 12 years and a record 430 million today. He'll still be underpaid lol.
Cool, Yankees/Sox will be top of the East for at least 5-7 more years.
Paxton is a huge pickup for them. People donít realize how dominant he is cuz Seattle doesnít get many viewers.

Thatís crazy about Trout. I was kinda hoping heíd make it to free agency.

Oh, and I got called on that 7-9ss hand, and actually won the hand. Iím sure you can guess what V had (he didnít show, but Iím 80% sure). I know I played it bad (mostly too short at 100 bbís) was just curious what a few people would say, including yourself.
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Old 03-19-2019, 03:02 PM   #342356
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Paxton is pretty good but has never pitched a full season without being injured. Definitely has top-10 SP potential if he can avoid injury.

Yeah I didn't think you had any FE in that hand but sick hand if he called 88.
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Old 03-19-2019, 03:20 PM   #342357
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I don't think overlimping is the best path to likely being IP post flop.
Being seated in position is a *much* bigger factor of whether you will end up in position; raising actually has very little impact on this (admittedly some, but not much).

FWIW, I'm also basing this purely on my experiences in my 1/3 NL game, which features (a) huge raises, (b) multiway pots and (c) 100bb stacks (standard to LLSNL, amirite?). If your game plays different, then obviously reasons for doing otherwise.

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Old 03-19-2019, 03:23 PM   #342358
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I feel like Paxton will be really really good this year. But transition to a smaller park might mean more dingers off him. He’ll put up huge K numbers though.

And yeah, 88 is what I assumed he had as well. Pretty wild hand. Kinda lucky, but not completely. My reads were pretty accurate, but I agree that it’s a dumbass/arrogant call pre.
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Old 03-19-2019, 03:28 PM   #342359
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Spherical. Why do you ask?

Are you asking because you don't have any cogent factual response to any of the points that I raised and it's easier to insult someone to make yourself feel smart?
it would be impossible to debate with you because you'll revert back to "i believe this to be true, so it's fact and you can't make me think otherwise"

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Old 03-19-2019, 03:35 PM   #342360
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Being seated in position is a *much* bigger factor of whether you will end up in position; raising actually has very little impact on this (admittedly some, but not much).

FWIW, I'm also basing this purely on my experiences in my 1/3 NL game, which features (a) huge raises, (b) multiway pots and (c) 100bb stacks (standard to LLSNL, amirite?). If your game plays different, then obviously reasons for doing otherwise.

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Maybe I'll take some stats to cut through the boredom. Limped to them, CO and BU vpip super wide in all my games.
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Old 03-19-2019, 03:49 PM   #342361
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Limped to them, CO and BU vpip super wide in all my games.
That's fair enough, and I do to in limped pots (mullet poker). But unlike most, I also tighten up quite a lot when facing a raise; I'm not sure that can be said of most of my opponents, but yeah, if you're CO and the Button is nit/me, go ahead an open. But the earlier in EP/MP we are the less we have any clue how many people behind us have a hand they want to see a flop with.

ETA: Just saw this line elsewhere, which I find really funny and basically explains my thought process here: "UTG limps, I iso, we go 5ways".

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Old 03-19-2019, 03:55 PM   #342362
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Not disagreeing that that happens, question is frequency.
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Old 03-19-2019, 03:59 PM   #342363
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The other thing worth noting is that sometimes it’s actually a good thing with A-Js when we go 5-6x and it still goes 4-5 players to the flop. When we hit it hard, we want a good pot started already to angle for stacks going in easier. If it’s good multiway, it will be good with 5 bbs in the pot or 25 bbs in the pot.
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Old 03-19-2019, 03:59 PM   #342364
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More personal attacks/insults/trolling disguised as virtue-signaling. Jeeez you guys. Do better.


Please show where I personally attacked you or insulted you.

Actually, you don't need to, because I don't honestly care
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Old 03-19-2019, 04:02 PM   #342365
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Please show where I personally attacked you or insulted you.

(Narrator): He can't

This is the problem with political types hardened on either side. Utter lack of empathy for others that don't think like them and a complete lack of self awareness.

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Old 03-19-2019, 04:10 PM   #342366
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Oh don't worry we won't be going in circles for very long.
Grunch.

Exactly what I thought and then somebody introduced me to the trapezoid method. Way better than going in circles IMHO.

Far be it from me to put anything in writing that can be construed as advice.

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Quit putting idle threats on the interline. It's just depressing. If you're the smartest poker player on the planet, you should have no problem crushing the games. No? You have a very entitled way of looking at life. Just because someone else's is more kick-ass should be of no concern to you.

And it is very childish to come in here and give us the wo-is-me BS because I have 10,000 hours of poker and play my pre-flop range advantage to the felt and try do it often and early in the hand so any post-flop advantage I have is mitigated. Seems like a solid plan.

You are a grown-ass man and can do whatever you want to do with your life, but this amount of "look what I might do next" for sympathy is ridiculous.

I love you brother. If you want to talk off of the record, PM me sometime.
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Old 03-19-2019, 04:12 PM   #342367
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I think your shrink might have prescribed you the wrong pills. You're hallucinating.

JOS was the one who insinuated that I'm incapable of open-mindedness.
JOS was the one who presumed to know what I would do in X circumstance
JOS was the one who impugned me for this *imagined* transgression

But you say I'm the one who is "hardened"

You say I'm without empathy? Empathy for what? Am I supposed to empathize with JOS's hypothetical belief that I'm immovably stubborn? You think I'm a bad person because I don't auto-agree with a stranger who insults me like that?

How do you guys even play poker at all when you're so averse to logic and facts?


Do you even know what empathy means? I bet you don't
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Old 03-19-2019, 04:17 PM   #342368
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Translation: "Shut up!!" he explained...

Funny how everything I've posted has been on-topic regarding the field of psychology. Funny how everything I've posted has been a fact-based pushback against alternative advice given in this thread. All done in good faith, sincerely.

And yet....all of the posts directed back at me have been accusatory, personally insulting, dismissive, and completely without any factual merit whatsoever.

Keep it coming
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Old 03-19-2019, 04:18 PM   #342369
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More personal attacks/insults/trolling disguised as virtue-signaling. Jeeez you guys. Do better.

FWIW, I don't pull my beliefs out of thin air. There's actually a field of research...the name escapes me now though....biblio--something-something-onomics-ology or something like that. Basically they measure the number of times a professional paper is cited in another professional paper.

The outcome....

Real Science >>>>> Psychology
Could you give us your review of this book? I hear its excellent.

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Old 03-19-2019, 04:22 PM   #342370
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LOL

ME (asking a good faith question): The DSM has a diagnosis for 75% of the population, so what is normal??

2+2's response: You probably think the earth is flat, asshat!

That's just some of the classiest **** ever guys. If you believe in karma, even a little bit....now you know why you run so bad
You seem to have anger issues. Maybe should see somebody for that.
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Old 03-19-2019, 04:30 PM   #342371
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haven't read it. but if it's on the subject of crushing 1/2, and it's more than 2 pages long...it's full of ****.
Wait...

Is this wait?
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Old 03-19-2019, 04:30 PM   #342372
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1) Our field is not very well understood, even by experts, when it comes to chemical imbalances. To me, medications are obvious helps for certain diagnoses: schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and severe depression (either acute due to suicide risk, not able to work, or otherwise treatment resistant / therapy not working). ADHD is another one where meds are a clear benefit (in some cases).

Anti-depressant meds for mild-to-moderately depressed folks beat placebo, but not by much. This is less a criticism of the meds then my great appreciation and awe of the placebo affect. WTF our brains are amazing.

Anyway, I think therapy is a better first approach for most, and/or combined with medication therapy when that's is needed/desired.

2) I have not found therapists to be smug in the way you describe. In my area (central Ohio), 80-90% of 'therapists' have either a Masters Degree in Social Work or 'Counseling'.. there are very few PhD's comparatively. Master's Level folks start around $40k here, after a few years/independent licensure maybe $47-50k. So it's not a very 'high status' profession around here.

What you describe sounds like private practitioners in big cities who work with wealthy clients. But I dunno.

That said, there are differences in ability / engagement skills, etc. And many therapists lead fairly unhealthy lives. They're like the rest of us, in most ways.

3) I have worked in medium sized agencies that serve kids/adults/families, mostly lower income/Medicaid clients. Over the years, I have moved into the management side - supervising and not seeing clients directly.

I never 'loved' being a therapist... never saw myself as particularly good or interested in being great. I do enjoy supervising these folks, though. (and these are mostly young professionals, starting out in the field... so another reason I'm less exposed to the smug stereotypical 'shrink' that you have come across)

Smoke some decent herb before seeing a therapist. AIAEC.

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Old 03-19-2019, 04:35 PM   #342373
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LOL

ME (asking a good faith question): The DSM has a diagnosis for 75% of the population, so what is normal??

2+2's response: You probably think the earth is flat, asshat!

That's just some of the classiest **** ever guys. If you believe in karma, even a little bit....now you know why you run so bad
I doubt that 75% of population is diagnose-able. I have read that about 50% of people with have a diagnose-able condition *in their lifetime* which makes sense. The DSM includes a wide range of disorders vis-a-vis severity. Many of us will have a mild disorder at some time *that may or may not benefit from treatment* (just like minor, diagnose-able, physical health conditions).

Keep arguing against the wall. I have 25 years as a professional in behavioral health, and have said again and again that you have brought up very legitimate points (in a not very eloquent way, perhaps).

Just trust me that tons of people benefit from talk therapy. When someone ITT posts about depression to the point of not wanting to live, it makes some sense to offer up some ideas. It's just friendly advice, to be taken or left.


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Old 03-19-2019, 04:43 PM   #342374
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Quit putting idle threats on the interline. It's just depressing. If you're the smartest poker player on the planet, you should have no problem crushing the games. No? You have a very entitled way of looking at life. Just because someone else's is more kick-ass should be of no concern to you.

And it is very childish to come in here and give us the wo-is-me BS because I have 10,000 hours of poker and play my pre-flop range advantage to the felt and try do it often and early in the hand so any post-flop advantage I have is mitigated. Seems like a solid plan.

You are a grown-ass man and can do whatever you want to do with your life, but this amount of "look what I might do next" for sympathy is ridiculous.

I love you brother. If you want to talk off of the record, PM me sometime.
I don't post here for sympathy, nor do I expect any. I don't know why you think I would.

You also don't even know me, why would you say you "love" me?
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So, who in chat is familiar with tableau?

Turtle?
Use it every. ****ing. Day. Fml

In b4 Stfu zoltan Gfy commie lol tho it's supposed to be socialist nowadays.

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